View Full Version : Mafia Game 7
chaucer
12-17-2006, 08:27 AM
There has been a slight error in PMing, so it will be just a slight bit longer until the game starts. If you are a townie of any kind, firstly, you MAY discuss your role to prove your innocence.
Here is a list of roles:
Mafia
Mafia
Mafia
Godfather
Cop
Cop
Doctor
Vigilante
Townie - Julianmh102
Townie
Townie
Inventor
Here is a list of players:
Wesley
Julianmh102 - Lynched day 1. Normal townie
Jordo
WackieWatty
Regeneratorizer
Evil Clone
PurpleKoopa2000
Coolguy
AtkinsSJ
Mr. Onion
Justin
Dave Hettel
Coolguy
12-17-2006, 08:32 AM
FOUR Mafia!?!?!? :( This will be tough...
chaucer
12-17-2006, 08:39 AM
The error is fixed, let the game begin!
It is Day 1.
Vote who you think deserves to go.
Jordo
12-17-2006, 08:39 AM
This will be intersting.
Coolguy
12-17-2006, 08:42 AM
*Wonders what a ''Maifa'' is* :D There's a typo up there.
And what's the 12th role? You only have 11 up there.
EDIT: And is that vigilante a normal one, or a day-kill one like in Christmas Mafia?
chaucer
12-17-2006, 08:51 AM
Normal.
chaucer
12-17-2006, 08:53 AM
I fixed both errors.
regeneratorizer
12-17-2006, 08:55 AM
Yay! It has started! Now, who to vote for? *Waits for someone to post something suspicious*
Coolguy
12-17-2006, 08:59 AM
ONOS, Regen isn't pretending to be a Mafia! It's the end of the world! :D
regeneratorizer
12-17-2006, 09:05 AM
Last mafia game I was the Insane cop. Im not going to say which role I am, but my role cant be insane. So, im not insane. At least, thats what the voices in my head tell me.
AtkinsSJ
12-17-2006, 09:23 AM
Always trust the voices in my head. That's my motto! Or at least, it would be, if the neighbors hadn't wanted their cat back...
chaucer
12-17-2006, 09:24 AM
*brain fries*
Well, come on! Surely theres SOMEONE suspicious.
WackieWatty
12-17-2006, 09:26 AM
Well, at least people aren't voting out of the blue, like they did at the start of last game
Coolguy
12-17-2006, 09:26 AM
Not yet- If I just vote somebody out of the blue, I'm going to get lynched! :p
Justin
12-17-2006, 09:28 AM
*has learned his lesson of voting too soon*
Jordo
12-17-2006, 09:32 AM
Eventually someone has to vote....
regeneratorizer
12-17-2006, 09:36 AM
Well, I guess someone has to sacrifice themselves. My role is boring, anyways.
VOTE: WW. He keeps blaming me on the chat of being a mafia, and that is a bit suspicious, to me.
Just please dont vote me for voting first, someone had to do it along the line.
Coolguy
12-17-2006, 09:37 AM
I see what Regen means- WW just started blaming Regen, and wouldn't give a reason. I suspect Justin too (He's helping WW get Regen lynched for no reason). I'm not voting yet, but I find them very suspicious.
Justin
12-17-2006, 09:39 AM
Actully I was thinking about voting you.
You seem to be over-protecting yourself. Your voting anyone who votes you.
CG seems very suspicious.
Coolguy
12-17-2006, 09:42 AM
And you seem to be protecting WW.
AtkinsSJ
12-17-2006, 09:43 AM
Also, people often do want to protect themselves. It's quite natural.
regeneratorizer
12-17-2006, 09:46 AM
You know, after I go through all the chat, WW does have a point. CG is very suspicious.
UNVOTE: WW . He was blaming me to get the game started, so I shouldnt lynch him for that.
VOTE: CG
Coolguy
12-17-2006, 09:49 AM
Vote: Regen
Wow, this is a lot like the first day in the last Mafia game... :p
Justin
12-17-2006, 09:50 AM
VOTE: Coolguy
Oh and does the inventor have a spying type tool?
Wesley
12-17-2006, 09:54 AM
Hm... I'm not sure who to vote for...
Mr.Onion
12-17-2006, 09:54 AM
VOTE: Julian! I used mystic powers to see that he was PMing someone. The only people who PM in the day are the mafia.
Justin
12-17-2006, 09:56 AM
Ture.
And he's been really hidden in discussions and he really wants that invisible thing.
Plus Mr. Onion's discovery. It really sounds like a mafia.
I'm letting CG off the hook for now.
UNVOTE
VOTE: Juilan
Wesley
12-17-2006, 09:57 AM
Just for now...
VOTE:Julian
regeneratorizer
12-17-2006, 09:58 AM
UNVOTE: CG
VOTE: Julian.
Ok, the game is going somewheres, finally!
Julian
12-17-2006, 10:04 AM
I was not PMing anyone. I was reading a PM saying I was a townie. Lych me if you want.
*jumps on the bandwagon*
VOTE: Julianmh102
Nobody will stop me!
Coolguy
12-17-2006, 10:12 AM
VOTE: Julian, I guess. As long as people stop bandwagoning on me! Although I do wonder why he was PMing... (I'm not too suspicious of him, though)
EDIT: That's 5 votes (Not counting Julian's). We need 2 more to get a majority.
WackieWatty
12-17-2006, 10:30 AM
Do mafia PM during the day?
I'm not sure. As he didn't post in this topic early on, his accusation about reading his role may be correct.
But alas, I highlt doubt that others will change their votes so..
Vote: Julian
AtkinsSJ
12-17-2006, 10:31 AM
Vote: Julian No need to be PMing.
WackieWatty
12-17-2006, 10:36 AM
UNVOTE JULIAN
I'm not so sure that Julian is mafia
AtkinsSJ
12-17-2006, 10:37 AM
Um, a bit indecisive, don't you think?
regeneratorizer
12-17-2006, 10:39 AM
Perhaps, but he does have a point.
Err.. I hate the first day
Anyways, MO seemed overly pushy for us to vote for Julain, so its possible he is a mafia. Plus, he said on the chat for the cops to reveal themselves.
UNVOTE: Julian
VOTE: MO
WackieWatty
12-17-2006, 10:40 AM
I also think that the Onion is a bit on the suspicious side of things.
Vote: Mr.Onion
AtkinsSJ
12-17-2006, 10:41 AM
Onion does seem to have started a bandwagon. I reckon you're right.
UNVOTE
VOTE: Mr Onion
Coolguy
12-17-2006, 10:42 AM
Meh, VOTE: Mr Onion
He might have just not known that reading PMs counts at Private Messaging, but oh, well. He's more suspicious than Julian, who has a valid excuse.
EDIT: And wow, today is insanely confusing. First a bandwagon on me, then Julian, than Mr O!
Julian
12-17-2006, 10:52 AM
Unvote
VOTE: Mr. Onion
Just jumping on the bandwagon!
Mr.Onion
12-17-2006, 10:58 AM
You'll be sorry. But I'll post another thing in a moment.
Wesley
12-17-2006, 10:59 AM
UNVOTE
VOTE:Mr.O
Mr.Onion
12-17-2006, 11:03 AM
OK. The plan Regen said was bad was this:
One cop reveals himself, and the doctor protects him while he gathers results. Unless the mafia manage to kill the doctor, the Cop is invincible during the night. Even if the doctor dies, the cop still has one more result.
I think that is a very good plan.
Julian
12-17-2006, 11:07 AM
OK. The plan Regen said was bad was this:
One cop reveals himself, and the doctor protects him while he gathers results. Unless the mafia manage to kill the doctor, the Cop is invincible during the night. Even if the doctor dies, the cop still has one more result.
I think that is a very good plan.
But dangerous. What if the doctor is the second last person alive?
Coolguy
12-17-2006, 11:08 AM
I think the cop should inspect Justin and Wackiewatty. :D I find them a bit suspicious, and if the cops can verify their towniness, we'll have more people we can trust for sure.
Coolguy
12-17-2006, 11:25 AM
Sorry to double post, but here's why I find the two suspicious:
Wackiewatty- Wackiewatty voted Regeneratorizer for no reason. Although I don't really suspect him very much, guess who was the last person to vote for no reason to start off a game? Justin! And he was Mafia!
Justin- He's agreed with WW only because I'm protecting somebody being meaninglessly lynched. He might be a Mafia with WW.
I hope I don't get killed tonight... Please protect me, Doctor!
Mr.Onion
12-17-2006, 11:27 AM
But dangerous. What if the doctor is the second last person alive?
If the doctor, cop and 1 mafia were left, then the cop decides who to lynch.
WackieWatty
12-17-2006, 11:32 AM
Sorry to double post, but here's why I find the two suspicious:
Wackiewatty- Wackiewatty voted Regeneratorizer for no reason. Although I don't really suspect him very much, guess who was the last person to vote for no reason to start off a game? Justin! And he was Mafia!
But I never did officially vote for Regen!
PurpleKoopa
12-17-2006, 12:33 PM
Gee, a lot has happened in the first day! I will read over some stuff, then I'll vote...
EDIT: Okay, Julian should be lynched by now. He had 7 votes on him - even if people did UNVOTE, he still had 7 votes on him, and that's a lynch. I say that we should wait for Chaucer to post.
chaucer
12-17-2006, 01:41 PM
Julianmh102 got lynched. He was a plain old townie.
It is now night. Mafia, send PMs. Special townie types, if you need to, send 'em too!
Coolguy
12-17-2006, 03:09 PM
Tonight will be VERY scary! At least we have 2 cops, an inventor, and a vigilante on the prowl...
evil clone
12-17-2006, 03:30 PM
i am pretty sure pk and mr onion are mafia. and i think that regen is mafia
onion was about to be lynched and even though he was right pk saved him. pk's speedy protection of the onion makes him a prime suspect for me. and if pk is that means onion would be to.
as for regen, he would usually have posted about 4 timews that he is a mafia. and each time he did he was a townie. so this time he isnt acting like mafia. maybe meaning he is a mafia.
so would the cop please investigate pk. he will tell if he and onion are mafia
PurpleKoopa
12-17-2006, 03:37 PM
I am not protecting Onion - I am protecting the rules of the game. If you want to break the rules, that's fine with me - though it might not be fine for Chaucer, our host.
I will agree that the Onion is suspicious! And maybe Regen is actually acting smart. No idea though.
chaucer
12-17-2006, 03:54 PM
I will thank PK for informing me that Julian needed to be lynched. Although, the town probably wasn't happy. Send in those PMs! I don't want one of those 3 day long nights.
Julian
12-17-2006, 05:56 PM
I said I was just a townie!
Coolguy
12-17-2006, 06:11 PM
Hey, only one last gasp per person!
EDIT: Whoops, I got mixed up! Nevermind :p
regeneratorizer
12-17-2006, 06:46 PM
as for regen, he would usually have posted about 4 timews that he is a mafia. and each time he did he was a townie. so this time he isnt acting like mafia. maybe meaning he is a mafia.
Err... 2 things
1. I only did that on one game
2. I was a cop on that game, and cops are capable of being Insane. Generic townies arent.
Anyways, I agree with CG, although he seems suspicious. I cant put my finger on it, but he just seems suspicious.
chaucer
12-18-2006, 05:23 AM
Oh, sorry. I did mean to give Julian a last gasp.
chaucer
12-18-2006, 05:26 AM
I have yet to recieve the PM of the inventor (he told me what he wants to use, but now he has to tell me who to use it on), the Vigilante, the doctor, and a cop. Hurry it up!
AtkinsSJ
12-18-2006, 09:52 AM
Julian died, then. Well, we'd just better get a mafia tomorow.
chaucer
12-18-2006, 10:36 AM
Vigilante? Hello, I need your PM!
PurpleKoopa
12-18-2006, 01:34 PM
I'm not sure if all vigs MUST kill each night. Is this how this one works?
chaucer
12-18-2006, 01:51 PM
No, but I would like notification that the vigilante would not like to kill, if so. If not, deadline is twenty four hours from now, or, for me, 4:00 CST (central standard time). So, hurry up, vigilante!
chaucer
12-18-2006, 04:58 PM
It is now official. I have received all PMs.
The mafia snuck out of their secret hiding cave and brought their weapons. They were going to kill the first person they met. They bumped into a small reptilian creature, who said, "Pardon me." And walked on. The four grinned in an evil way. They kicked him over the side of a cliff and on the way down, to land on a fluffy pillow mattress and be stuck their for the rest of the game, PurpleKoopa2000 yelled, "Ahh! I was just a cop!" But apparently it was not so. He was in fact, quite insane.
PurpleKoopa2000 was kicked off a cliff, but lucky enough to land on a mattress. Sadly, he is stuck their for the rest of the game. He was the InsAN3 cop.
Role List:
Dead:
PurpleKoopa2000 - kliff kicked night 1 - Insane cop
Julianmh102: Lynched, day one - townie
Alive:
Justin
Coolguy
WackieWatty
Regeneratorizer
Mr.Onion
Wesley
Jordo
Dave Hettel
Evil Clone
AtkinsSJ
If I forgot anyone, please let me know!
It is day.
Vote for who you want to get rid of.
PurpleKoopa
12-18-2006, 05:06 PM
Don't lynch Mr. O - he is innocent! How do I know? I got a guilty on him! Lynch Coolguy for me instead - he is the one who was suspicious of me at the Chat, and then he killed me!!!
Justin
12-18-2006, 05:06 PM
Atleast a insane cop is gone not a useful one!
Coolguy
12-18-2006, 05:07 PM
PK was yelling at me in the Chat Room- I bet I'll get lynched because he died.
Justin
12-18-2006, 05:08 PM
Don't killz me. I am the good!
Julian
12-18-2006, 05:09 PM
Take me off the Alive list! I'm DEAD! Not ALIVE!
WackieWatty
12-19-2006, 06:13 AM
Right - I may be taking myself to my doom by doing this but oh well....
I am the other cop. Believe me if you want to succeed in this game.
Last night, I had a hard choice of who to inspect - but eventually I made up my mind. Regen had voted alongside me, even when I changed my vote yesterday, so I decided to investigate him.
And it turns out - that Regen is...
THE MAFIA GODFATHER
Hopefully you people will need no more convincing, so I choose, and you should too, to VOTE: REGEN
Coolguy
12-19-2006, 06:33 AM
VOTE: REGEN
Need I say more?
AtkinsSJ
12-19-2006, 06:36 AM
Well, assuming you're telling the truth, that's a pretty convincing argument.
VOTE: Regeneratorizer
chaucer
12-19-2006, 06:54 AM
It's five votes to lynch. Two more are necessary for Regeneratorizer's lynch. Who will go?
Justin
12-19-2006, 08:12 AM
VOTE: Regen
Mr.Onion
12-19-2006, 08:22 AM
Vote: Regeneratizor!
(that was quick.)
Hammered
12-19-2006, 08:23 AM
There are 10 people left alive at the present time - it should take 6 people to lynch.
chaucer
12-19-2006, 08:45 AM
Oh. In that case, one more vote for Regeneratorizer.
WackieWatty
12-19-2006, 08:47 AM
Come on people, we only need one more vote!!
It will be interesting to see how the vote goes tonight, although I have the feeling that giving away my role may have resulted in me dooming myself...
regeneratorizer
12-19-2006, 12:14 PM
Please - dont turn in that last vote till I have a chance to defend myself. I know this may be hard for you to beleive, as WW as already ruined my credibility, but I am NOT a mafia!
WW is a mafia pretending to be a cop, so he can lynch a townie and kill one later tonight so the mafia will win! Think about it! If you lynch me, and then the mafia kill whomever tonight, the mafia will win!
Look, if you dont believe me, fine. Just dont turn in that last vote yet. Im going to go over all of WW's previous posts for any clues of him being mafia. I will be back in about 10 minutes with my defence.
WackieWatty
12-19-2006, 12:16 PM
Excuses will get you nowhere.
It's too late for you now, Regen!
Dave Hettel
12-19-2006, 12:17 PM
Vote: Regeneratorizer
chaucer
12-19-2006, 12:22 PM
Everyone agreed that Regeneratorizer deserved to go. They kicked him out of society. Happily, the town just kicked the mafia godfather from their midst.
It is night. Send in those PMs!
regeneratorizer
12-19-2006, 12:48 PM
Well - I suppose its too late now. Yes, im the godfather.
However, what I said still stands. WW is a mafia pretending to be a cop. He voted me to establish his credibility.
Why am I saying this? Revenge. I told him over and over again not to vote for me.
Think about it: He made one fatal mistake. He didnt say that I was a mafia, he said I was a godfather. When a cop inspects someone, it doesnt tell them someone role, it only tells you if the person is anti-townie or pro-townie. So, the only way he could have known I was a godfather, was if HE was a mafia himself.
I warned you, WW. You shouldnt have voted me.
WackieWatty
12-19-2006, 12:50 PM
Is that the best you can do?
Oh well. If I survive the night - I have another treat in store for the remaining mafia!:wink:
AtkinsSJ
12-20-2006, 02:45 AM
Namely yourself. You think you can trick us like that? Regen is right - you don't get told proper roles.
chaucer
12-20-2006, 04:21 AM
EDIT:
Coolguy
12-20-2006, 06:42 AM
If I die tonight, lynch WackieWatty! Regeneratorizer and Atkins are right about the roles. You only learn the inspected person's team! I'm going to keep an eye on him- Regen might have been speaking the truth. Hopefully, the real cop will come forward and prove that we're getting played.
If I'm alive tommorow, I'm voting WW, and not joining in any bandwagons he tries to start against our town.
Mr.Onion
12-20-2006, 08:11 AM
I specifically asked Chaucer about this, and he says he gave WW both.
evil clone
12-20-2006, 09:24 AM
why sholuld we believe you mr o. if chauncer told the role chauncer should say so. dont believe mr o.
Mr.Onion
12-20-2006, 11:26 AM
Why not? I am proven to be innocent.
Coolguy
12-20-2006, 02:36 PM
Not really :D (Although I'm pretty sure you're innocent.)
And I think I suspect Evil Clone as well, for suspecting an obviously innocent person.
chaucer
12-20-2006, 03:53 PM
This is most certainly a bad day for the town.
The mafia have chosen to kill Mr. Onion. He was the doctor. He gets a last gasp. If you have died and did not get a last gasp, you get one now.
The vigilante has chosen to kill WackieWatty. He was the cop, and gets a last gasp.
Then there is the sad news about Justin:
He revealed his role on the chat, and is now role blocked today and tonight.
It is day.
Vote who you want to lynch.
Coolguy
12-20-2006, 04:02 PM
Vote: Evil Clone
He tried to get us to lynch Mr Onion, and Mr Onion was obviously innocent! (And his innocence has been proven now) He's probably our best Mafia guess.
Dave Hettel
12-20-2006, 04:09 PM
Oh no, not the poor cop. Now who will our town lean on for security?
why sholuld we believe you mr o. if chauncer told the role chauncer should say so. dont believe mr o.
Mr. Onion, as has been stated above, was proven innocent by the late PurpleKoopa. Why would you not believe Mr. Onion, then, evil clone? If he has been proven innocent, then we as townies must believe him. I propose that you are in fact mafia scum trying to divert us from the rest of your mafia friends. And therefore, for the good of the town, I must vote to lynch evil clone.
EDIT: Oh, can we have an updated list of who's still alive?
Wesley
12-20-2006, 04:27 PM
Our loss isn't good... Anyway, based on what was above:VOTE Evil Clone
chaucer
12-20-2006, 05:10 PM
Dead:
Julianmh102 - townie
PurpleKoopa2000 - Insane cop
Mr.Onion - Doctor
WackieWatty - Cop
Regeneratorizer - MAFIA GODFATHER!!!
Alive:
Dave Hettel
Coolguy
AtkinsSJ
Justin (role blocked for role-revealing punishment)
Jordo
Wesley
Evil Clone
Jordo
12-20-2006, 06:41 PM
VOTE: EVIL CLONE
cuz, y'know, everyone else is.
Coolguy
12-20-2006, 07:00 PM
Current Votes:
Jordo
Coolguy
Wesley
Dave Hettel
There's only 6 voters (7 people if you count Justin), and there's 4 votes. That's a majority- Evil Clone is lynched!
Justin
12-20-2006, 10:04 PM
VOTE: Evil Clone
Go with da flow.
WackieWatty
12-21-2006, 01:49 AM
NO! Don't vote for evil_clone!
If you use the information given to you wisely, you should be able to work out who the real mafia were.
For one, who told you that I was mafia? Regen, CG and Atkins - It's not hard to work out the mafia from that.
It appears to be too late for the town now, though. With Justin's role-block, there is no way we can win.
All I can say now is - thankyou very much Mr. Vigilante - as today I was going to reveal all of the remaining mafia.
*DIES*
AtkinsSJ
12-21-2006, 05:59 AM
Well, I'm a little late, but Vote: Evil clone.
chaucer
12-21-2006, 07:26 AM
Justin's vote does not count. But he is gone anyway.
Evil Clone is lynched. He was a townie.
THE MAFIA HAVE WON!!! :twisted:
They were:
Regenerator (godfather)
Coolguy
Dave Hettel
AtkinsSJ
Congratulations on your quick victory!
The townies were:
Julianmh102 - regular
Jordo - regular
Evil Clone - regular
WackieWatty - Cop
PurpleKoopa2000 - Insane Cop
Mr. Onion - Doctor
Wesley - Vigilante
Justin - Inventor
Congratulations on fighting until the end, townies! Mabye next time...
Mr.Onion
12-21-2006, 08:01 AM
Dang! Wrong pagE!
WackieWatty
12-21-2006, 09:34 AM
Yay - I was right - I knew all the mafia.
Too bad the vigilante voted me off, otherwise we would have won...:roll:
Mr.Onion
12-21-2006, 09:38 AM
I don't think you should have died, since I protected you.
chaucer
12-21-2006, 09:51 AM
Oops. :oops:
The town gets a complementary medal, for several mistakes on the host's part. I won't be hosting another game for quite a while. :oops:
Justin
12-21-2006, 10:18 AM
COOLGUY WAS A MAFIA?!?!
You evil little scum over using my powers!
WackieWatty
12-21-2006, 10:20 AM
Well, from yesterday - I knew the mafia were CG, dave and Atkins.
For my investigating, I chose CG randomly and further proved my theory.
It's just a shame I never got to share it with the other townies.
PurpleKoopa
12-21-2006, 02:44 PM
Ha - I knew it - Coolguy was mafia.
Coolguy
12-21-2006, 02:52 PM
WW mostly knew who the Mafia were because Chaucer posted a MASSIVE clue, that said that all the Mafia voted Regen. I got Chaucer to edit out that clue before most people saw it, luckily.
It was fun being Mafia again! :D I haven't been Mafia since the first two games. However, this game had a couple flaws, so I'm editing this post with a list to help future hosts.
PROBLEM 1: CLUES
Okay, this was a HUGE problem that let Wackiewatty figure out who the Mafia were easily. Chaucer posted a clue that said that all the Mafia voted Regen, and later, he posted proof that Wackiewatty was good. I got him to edit out both clues, though.
PROBLEM 2: PMING
Mr Onion, Justin, and WW (all power roles) formed a mason-like group. Luckily, Justin also thought that I wasn't suspicious, so he recruited me. :) If PK hadn't found out about this group and told, and if I wasn't in it, then we Mafia would be dead very fast. I don't know how to stop this, but PMers should be tattled on :)
PROBLEM 3: BALANCE
There was one too many Mafia- 3 would have been fair! If we successfully killed two nights and survived both days, then we'd win! And the townies had too many inspecting roles, I think- Almost half of them had inspecting capabilities! We had no chance if we acted the least bit suspicious, because we would be inspected for sure! And even if we survived the lynch, the vigilante would attack.
Wesley
12-21-2006, 02:55 PM
I knew CG was mafia the second I found out WW was innocent, but I lacked the proof to do anything without getting suspected myself. Ugh, I thought I had to kill eventually, seeing I ignored most of the rounds, so I just looked at the most suspicious person at the time. Too bad it was WW.
Hammered
12-21-2006, 03:17 PM
I think a lot of the problems we are seeing are due to having new hosts. If you are a first (or even second) time host, don't be afraid to ask for help. I am sure that any of the experienced hosts (or more experienced players) would be happy to offer you a few pointers.
regeneratorizer
12-21-2006, 04:31 PM
They were:
Regenerator (godfather)
Coolguy
Dave Hettel
AtkinsSJ
Aha! /celebrate!
Mafia FTW!
AtkinsSJ
12-22-2006, 04:18 AM
Yay-ness! I thought we were doomed!
evil clone
12-22-2006, 12:20 PM
last gasp-
why would you kill me. what did i do to you.
townies forever. now i will reaveal the meaning of life.
the meaning of life is..... gasp hack cough cough.
rosebud.
Maiden Japan 007
12-24-2006, 12:13 PM
ok let's start a new game, shall we?
WackieWatty
12-24-2006, 12:31 PM
There is already a new game started and you're part of it - Mafia Game 8 (http://hamumu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11576)
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