Carnival Mafia! (Mafia Game 18)

[Coolguy]

It was late at night on July 8, 2007 when Carnieguy let his new employees into the Carnival grounds. After locking the gate, he informed them of a shocking surprise that nobody expected...

Greetings! Now that you've all signed your contracts, I can tell you about the ''typos'' on that poster asking for employees. There actually ARE evil clowns from outer space at the Carnieguy Carnival (and I'm pretty sure some more might have gotten in by posing as employees...). No! Don't leave yet! As the fine print on your contracts ''clearly'' said, you are not allowed to leave the park until you've caught all the evil clowns (and anything else evil in this carnival). :p

But don't worry, catching homicidal clowns for me won't be that bad, even if most of you die- You get free access to Giftbot! You'll find out more in the morning.

Grumbling, all the new employees headed off to their tents, trailers, etc, wondering why this crazy carnival owner thought that clowns could possibly be evil or from outer space. It's not like anybody's going to get killed by some tonight, or anything...

Night 1 has begun. Send in PMs. DEADLINE: 24 HOURS FROM THIS POST (7:00 Monday, Pacific Time)

Employees:
31337
Chaucer
Cheeselord
Dave Hettel
DrGamer
Ducklegion
Hammered
Happystickman
Justin
Mr. Onion
PlasmaCannonsRule
Regeneratorizer
Roland
Sol Hunt
WackieWatty
Wesley

Jobs
Acro-Bat
Balloon Seller
Bearded Lady
Cotton Candy Guy
Elephant Cage Cleaner
Goldfish
Hypnotist
King Arthur!?!?
Lion Tamer
Lost Ghost
Mole
Ride Attendant
Ride Inspector
Sideshow Guy
Small World Robot
Ticket Booth Guy

Replacements:
If you still want to play and you didn't make it to the sign-ups in time, you can still join on the replacements list! If people lurk or go on vacation, they'll be replaced with somebody on this list.

If any of you haven't recieved your role, PM me to get a new message.

[Coolguy]

I forgot that Atkins is in France- He's been replaced with Regeneratorizer.

[Coolguy]

1:42 AM, July 9, 2007 (Night 1)

Four dark shadows snuck through the carnival, although their sneaking was very ineffective, because they were wearing big, squeaky CLOWN shoes... The shadow in front said ''Mwahaha... Time to get revenge for that awful Mafia game!'' The other 3 joined him in evil clown laughter, and then proceeded to the It's a Small World Ride. Soon enough, they had covered the building in pies... BOMB pies! They lit the fuse, and BOOM!, the entire building was gone! "Ha, that will show him for running a bad game!'', they said as they ran off.

A fifth shadow, also heading for Justin's former home, saw that Justin must have already been killed, so he left. Hmmm...

Then a hot air balloon landed on the crater of the It's a Small World Ride building. Justin stepped out of the balloon and saw what happened, and then cursed those evil clowns for what they did. Justin was almost pranked, but he survived!

''Good morning, everybody! See, I told you there were evil clowns. :p Now, time to introduce you to Giftbot 4000! We managed to buy this amazing 'friendy' robot from some software company. For some reason, they didn't want it! Giftbot 4000 will come every day and give a game, and whoever wins the game gets a 2nd vote the next day. Now, I'm going to let Giftbot introduce today's game...''

http://hamumu.com/images/menu/giftbot.gif

''HURKY HURKY HURKY! TODAY'S GAME- GUESS THE NUMBER! PM GIFTBOT (or Carnieguy) A NUMBER BETWEEN 1 AND 1 TRILLION, AND WHOEVER IS CLOSEST WINS! DEADLINE IS 24 HOURS AFTER THIS POST OR WHEN NIGHT ENDS, WHICHEVER COMES FIRST.

Employees:
31337
Chaucer
Cheeselord
Dave Hettel
DrGamer
Ducklegion
Hammered
Happystickman
Justin
Mr. Onion
PlasmaCannonsRule
Regeneratorizer
Roland
Sol Hunt
WackieWatty
Wesley

Jobs
Acro-Bat
Balloon Seller
Bearded Lady
Cotton Candy Guy
Elephant Cage Cleaner
Goldfish
Hypnotist
King Arthur!?!?
Lion Tamer
Lost Ghost
Mole
Ride Attendant
Ride Inspector
Sideshow Guy
Small World Robot
Ticket Booth Guy

Replacements:
If you still want to play and you didn't make it to the sign-ups in time, you can still join on the replacements list! If people lurk or go on vacation, they'll be replaced with somebody on this list.

Day 1 has started! 16 people are alive- 9 to lynch!

EDIT: Dave Hettel, Justin, Ducklegion, and PlasmaCannonsRule, please turn on Invisible Mode!

[regeneratorizer]

Woot, another mafia game! I wonder how long I will survive this time...? Oh well. I assume you all know whom I claim to be already, so I will refrain from saying it(Hammered might get mad if I do)

[CheeseLord]

Well, there must be a SK or vigilante out there. I think the attacks show what people thought of Justin's game. The balloon seller must be either a doctor, although I doubt anyone would want to save Justin, or a bulletproof townie, which seems much more likely. Also, is the lost ghost by any chance related to the lost clown from last game? Just a few starting thoughts.

[happystickman]

Wow, Justin Survived! Thats someone we know is townie!

[chaucer]

I am the elephant cage cleaner, which is like a janitor, and I can inspect people. Last night I chose Hammered. She is the mole, from the evidence I got in my PM. Also, I found no clown things in here abode.

EDIT: WAIT! HOLD EVERYTHING! Coolguy said that four people should activate invisible mode. There were four dark shadows. Interesting...

[Coolguy]

EDIT: WAIT! HOLD EVERYTHING! Coolguy said that four people should activate invisible mode. There were four dark shadows. Interesting...

I didn't post that because it had anything to do with their roles. If I pointed out all 4 Mafia like that, I'd be the worst host of all time. :p

I want everybody invisible this game so nobody can whine about how the Mafia find out they were a power role or the town found out that they were a Mafia.

[ducklegion]

it is good to change to invisible mode because I alway get b lamed for being mafia when im not cause invisible mode isnt on.

[Justin]

Hmph. Umm... thankies to whoever saved me?

[Justin]

Also, is the lost ghost by any chance related to the lost clown from last game?

Yes. 8)

[CheeseLord]

I guess that means that Justin isn't the balloon seller. In that case, who is? Also, I believe Chaucer, and mole does not sound like a town role. However, the lack of clown things would point toward a SK. I'm not going to vote yet, mainly because it's still the first day and I don't think there's enough evidence.

[happystickman]

I got it! Vote:Giftbot :p

[31337]

I am going to role claim as a Bearded Lady. This is a townie role and has no special effects, sadly. I think everyone gets a role regardless of whether or not they have special abilities. Strangely, I am neither Bearded nor Female.

[regeneratorizer]

Course, a Mole could also be a cop.

[31337]

Vote: Giftbot

[Coolguy]

Giftbot 4000 quickly smushes the two annoyances who attempted to lynch him and threatens to kick them out of his contest.

[Hammered]

I am the elephant cage cleaner, which is like a janitor, and I can inspect people. Last night I chose Hammered. She is the mole, from the evidence I got in my PM. Also, I found no clown things in here abode.I can confirm that chaucer is a cop, although I am not sure if it was smart to role claim so early for that particular role. I am the mole and I do have a special ability, which is why he saw my abode, but he didn't see me. The investigator role being revealed so early means that the doctor role has better protect Chaucer or we are sure to lose him before he can do any more good for us.

I guess that means that Justin isn't the balloon seller. In that case, who is? Also, I believe Chaucer, and mole does not sound like a town role. However, the lack of clown things would point toward a SK. I'm not going to vote yet, mainly because it's still the first day and I don't think there's enough evidence.I find it interesting that he is trying to cast aspersions on the one person who doesn't seem to be a clown. Wouldn't it be smarter to go after someone else?

Course, a Mole could also be a cop.Sorry, no, Chaucer is the cop, although I suppose there could be more than one.

Well, there must be a SK or vigilante out there. I think the attacks show what people thought of Justin's game. The balloon seller must be either a doctor, although I doubt anyone would want to save Justin, or a bulletproof townie, which seems much more likely. Also, is the lost ghost by any chance related to the lost clown from last game? Just a few starting thoughts.You could be right about there being a serial killer.

Now, on to what I know. Being a mole, I did what I do best last night, and dug myself a nice little hole to hide in. At some point during the night, I looked up from my hole and saw a man with a psychiatry book and a large gold watch on a chain in my quarters. Apparently, hiding was a great choice, because that guy sure sounds like a hypnotist to me, and I am thinking the most likely ability is mind controller (since Carnie Guy is fond of using them) and a mind control role would explain why I was not attacked directly. The mafia were hoping to use my persuasiveness to their advantage. The good news is that they didn't find me so I am not mind controlled and the additional good news is that we know they went after me, so nobody else is mind-controlled either. So, as of right now, my townie list includes Chaucer, Justin, and Hammered and my mildly suspcious list includes only Cheeselord.

[CheeseLord]

I find it interesting that he is trying to cast aspersions on the one person who doesn't seem to be a clown. Wouldn't it be smarter to go after someone else?

I know I probably misinterpreted the name mole. It sounds evil to me. I don't know why.

[chaucer]

Oh... shoot... didn't think about the mafia wanting to kill me if I role claimed. Ah, well, I helped the town by proving innocent their most valuable player (probably).

[Hammered]

Cheeselord, mole, in the context of a carnival, refers to the Whack-a-Mole game, where the poor mole gets to be Hammered, or in this case, vice versa.

[CheeseLord]

I hadn't thought of that. In most other cases, the mole is the one trying to infiltrate the team. Not a good thing. But for now I'll believe you. That still leaves the question of who is mafia though.

[regeneratorizer]

Well, lets see... To me, the mafia have two choices to make tonight: Either kill Hammered(A very valuable and persuasive person) or Chaucer, the copper.... So, the doc has a choice tonight: Which to protect? Cant help you there.

Also, watch out for Hammered and Chaucer. Being proven townies, they are very prone to being mind controlled. (Course, if any of yall were paying attention in previous mafia games, you should be able to tell if Hammered is Mind Controlled or not.)

[drgamer]

Whoa. Look at all this discussion! And me without my normal computer working...

I think it is rather unwise to role claim THIS early... and quite suspicious! Ah well, we do need to be careful this game... unlike last game...

It seems that our doctor was wise in protecting Justin... as it appears that BOTH the evil clowns (who we need to bring down this time...) and the vig.(?) wanted revenge...
Edit: And no, I'm not the Doctor this time... even though my name might suggest that I am...

[PlasmaCannonsRule]

Um, I do have invisi-mode turned on after CG sent me a PM about it. Also, I'm the Balloon Seller. I'll tell you this much: I'm not just a doctor. From the PM, I think I may have seen a vigilante-like power. Of course, Coolguy only told me the name of my powers, not what they do. Oh well, at least I saved a townie. Personally, I was trying to roleblock or take him away for the day, just in case he was (duh-duh-duh-duh!) mafia!

[chaucer]

PCR, I would venture a guess that the balloon seller is a doctor, and he sees something if the person he protects is attacked. For example:

You defend/sell a balloon to Justin, he gets attacked, so you see the assailants from the air, but not well enough to tell who they were. If Justin had not been attacked, I suspect nothing would have been seen.

Also, a note about the way I inspect: I take the evidence I find and check the role list for a role or roles that have names similar to what I found. So, I'll inspect whoever was suspicious but not lynched today tonight, and tell you his/her likely role in the morning.

PS: Take note of this:



Also, is the lost ghost by any chance related to the lost clown from last game?

Yes. 8)

That might mean he is the lost Ghost, or knows what the lost ghost does somehow.

[drgamer]

So you're telling PCR that he's wrong about his own role?
Now, if there's a doctor that's more than a doctor, and a normal doctor (don't see why there wouldn't be...). We can save two of the power-role claimed people...
But seriously! STOP ROLECLAIMING! you're giving the mafia knowledge of who is important to kill off!

[Mr.Onion]

I have a bit of a suspiscion, but I'll wait until tommorow to see if I'm right.

[drgamer]

That might be a good idea... Or very suspicious actually... Here's to hoping you're able to make a worthy contribution to the game, with your suspicions...And not the mafia trying to trick us...

[PlasmaCannonsRule]

OK. My roleclaiming was probably a bad idea..... I hope the other doctor can save me!

[WackieWatty]

I do find it odd that so many people are role-claiming on the first day - it makes it hard to tell who is telling the truth and who is lying.

Anyway, I'm only going to role-claim when I need to. I don't see any point in doing so before hand....

Also, Chaucer and Hammered could be mafia, I suppose. I'm not going to vote for either of them, as it is just a thought.;)

[regeneratorizer]

Am I the only one who thinks PCR is an inventor? I mean, given a bunch of powers and not being told what they do - thats what they sound like to me.

[Justin]

About my 'Yes. 8)' I thought it said a reference not related...

[chaucer]

So far, I suspect Justin and Cheeselord, just mildly, but I will not vote them.

And, on an unrelated note, I think it's time to change your sig, Justin.

[drgamer]

But you are one lucky man, to be protected when TWO groups, one of which being the evil mafia (who we'll beat this time! Considering the game isn't messed up this time), and another mysterious force.

Oh and we have to be smart for figuring out stuff this time. I know the Hamumu way is to be 'Dumb', but it doesn't mean miss out on the mafia slip ups!

[Hammered]

OK, I went ahead and posted my role because Chaucer had already revealed it, which he should not have done. It is my place to decide whether to reveal my role or not. Investigators should tell us when they discover people who are mafia, unless there is something significant, like something that might lead to the serial killer. They can also tell us when they know valuable people are not mafia, if it seems that the town might be making a mistake and trying to lynch them. In general, townies should not reveal their roles, and other townies shouldn't reveal their roles for them, if they learn a role somehow. Don't paint targets on yourself or other townies. We would have to have a million doctors to defend everyone.

Now I am going over there in that nice soft dirt and dig myself a new hole. Please don't do anything stupid and make me come back out. My claws are getting tender from all this digging. Also, please notice that I am not voting yet. Nobody had done anything to raise them above the vaguely suspicious list.

[31337]

Well, I don't think the mafia would kill a helpless bearded lady. :p

[happystickman]

They have done it before. Come on someone! Act suspicous! We need to get a mafia kill today!

[Mr.Onion]

You seem rather over-enthusiastic. :p

[Wesley]

I'm back from my trip. Yay! It was a lucky break that Justin was saved, but I still don't know why people are role-claiming this early...

[happystickman]

You seem rather over-enthusiastic. :p

I just want us to start on the right foot so to speak.

[Coolguy]

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20 MINUTES REMAINING! SEND GUESSES!

[31337]

Where could those evil space clowns be? :p

[Coolguy]

http://hamumu.com/images/menu/giftbot.gif

TIME IS UP! THE CORRECT NUMBER WAS 4,444, BUT NOBODY GUESSED THE EXACT ANSWER. DAVE HETTEL GUESSED CLOSEST WITH A GUESS OF 7,777, SO HE WINS TODAY'S PRIZE! TOMMOROW HIS VOTE WILL COUNT DOUBLE. GIFTBOT... AWAY!

[happystickman]

Darn, I didnt win! Oh well. Also in PCR post he said he thought his action was a roleblock or something like that. Why would a person role block a random person? For all he knew he could have been a doctor or cop. I wont vote him yet, but I got my eye on him.

[drgamer]

Uh, he said DOCTOR... But he's more than a doctor

I think you're trying to get us to vote PCR out!

[Dave Hettel]

Ooh, double vote tomorrow! That might help if we had any clue who to vote...

[drgamer]

Let's all hope that you live long enough to make a difference... and that you're not mafia...

[Dave Hettel]

Let's all hope that you live long enough to make a difference... and that you're not mafia...
I assume I'll live long enough. I mean, who would wanna kill me? ;)

If it helps any, I'm the Ticket Booth Guy. What I do is anyone's guess, even mine. ;)

[drgamer]

Uh... Give out tickets?

[Sol Hunt]

Just wanted to check in so y'all know I'm not lurking. I haven't heard anything very conclusive yet. Too much role claiming to know what's true and what's not. I'm pleased to see so much involvement, though. Everyone except Roland has posted (now that I'm getting on the ball). I am also pleased to see that people seem to be thinking before rushing to a vote. Good on us! Now we just need to figure out what to do.

My rudimentary thoughts so far:

1. Chaucer and Hammered are most likely goodies, although I am reserving the right to change my mind on this. I tend to be quite leary of Hammered's claims. They are supporting each other in their role IDs.

Hammered - how do you know it was Chaucer who inspected you? Remember when you supported CG's claim of tasty goodness? Just want to make sure you have more evidence than just his say so. I just had a random thought...you saw the hypnotist in your room? Chaucer says he checked you out? Hmmm...I suspect this means nothing since you sound like your regular self.

Justin is obviously good, given the mafia attack (not to mention the other - you gotta be careful, man!).

31337, Dave H, and PCR have all role claimed. Only PCR has any evidence for his role, and that is weak at best. Someone floated Justin to safety, but we have no evidence as to who it was. Aside from their claims, none of these guys have added much to the conversation.

For that matter, neither Wesley, HappyStickMan, Mr. Onion, nor DuckLegion have had anything useful to say, and Roland has been silent. You know I tend to go for the quiet ones on the first day. No point keeping someone around if they aren't going to play.

I have no idea about Cheeselord, DrGamer, Regen, or WW. They've been fairly active, but so far nothing overtly suspicious. That bodes well for them, I guess. As for myself, I can tell you that I am a townie, but I don't see why anyone would believe it. you'll have to decide if you trust me, or not. You'll at least give me some time, I hope.

'Kay...that's my $0.02. Comments? Criticisms? Sniiiiiiide remarks? (I had a teacher who used to say that all the time.)

PS - Is anyone else relieved that they don't have to spend extra time trying to write like a pirate? :)

[drgamer]

Actually, I remember asking about a few of the lurkers, and Coolguy said that they would return shortly... as in within a few days... At least that's what I remember him saying...
Edit: It IS kinda odd that he wouldn't say anything about it though...

[regeneratorizer]

Arrr.... I be hopin' that we catch arrrrselves a mafia soon!

[Mr.Onion]

My 1p (Mwhahaha! Go stupidly high exchange rates!:p) says that the Ballon Seller is a Paranoid Doctor.(A Doctor who involuntarly roleblocks at the same time as he defends.)

[Hammered]

Since Sol asked how I knew it was Chaucer who inspected me:

I had no evidence at all that anyone inspected me, but Chaucer's report was spot on, so I am forced to believe that he must have. The odds of someone guessing right when they say someone is good are 3 to 1 so that didn't prove much, but the odds of his guessing my exact role were only 1 in 16, and it would be very easy for me to say he was wrong and prove him evil, so that would be just too risky for a cop pretender to try, in my opinion.

Also, the only real evidence I have that anyone took any interest in me last night was the hypotist-seeming fellow that I actually saw.

Also, since I think Chaucer's idea of investigating valuable players to prove their veracity is a good one, I would like to suggest that Chaucer inspect Sol during the next night and that the doctor protects him, because we really need that answer.

[drgamer]

Meh. All this roleclaiming is making the game very interesting; not the wisest move that could have been done, but I digress...
Anyways... Such ingenious plans don't quite work when the mafia already see said plans... But then they assume that we'll fall for the they'll never attack someone who they knew would be protected... It's an infinite loop! AHHH! Meh. Thinks would be so much easier if we knew what the mafia was planning...but also less fun :/

[Mr.Onion]

I find it semi-suspicious that Roland hasn't posted at all.

[Hammered]

On the 7th, Roland posted that he would be on vacation for 5 days and that he thought he would probably have internet access, but that if he didn't post within two days, then we should assume that he didn't. He hasn't posted since then, so I am guessing that he has no access. Today is the 11th, so I assume that we will be hearing from him fairly soon, but probably not today.

[chaucer]

I am now putting HSM on my suspicious list.

EDIT: My reason for that is that he has been over-eager to get a townie, and that is usually a mafia thing. Plus, I was a mafia with him in one of the games. I (vaguely) know how he acts when he plays a mafia.

[happystickman]

Ok, I misunderstood PCR post, I admit that, but that doesnt mean im a mafia.

[WackieWatty]

I'm just getting confused now..

Also, were mafia eligible to enter Giftbot's game? If so, then having a mafia with a double vote is very dangerous.

[Coolguy]

Mafia are eligible to enter Giftbot games- That would be unfair otherwise, because that would prove all winners good. :p

Roland and Wesley were on vacation during most of the game. Wesley just came back yesterday and Hammered already said when Roland is coming back.

[regeneratorizer]

Well, after going through the topic again, I have found no ''Real'' evidence.... So, I am dusting of my copy of ''Crackpot Theories for Idiots". Oh, how I missed that book.

I am the elephant cage cleaner, which is like a janitor, and I can inspect people. Last night I chose Hammered. She is the mole, from the evidence I got in my PM. Also, I found no clown things in here abode.

I can confirm that chaucer is a cop, although I am not sure if it was smart to role claim so early for that particular role. I am the mole and I do have a special ability, which is why he saw my abode, but he didn't see me. The investigator role being revealed so early means that the doctor role has better protect Chaucer or we are sure to lose him before he can do any more good for us.


Now, on to what I know. Being a mole, I did what I do best last night, and dug myself a nice little hole to hide in. At some point during the night, I looked up from my hole and saw a man with a psychiatry book and a large gold watch on a chain in my quarters. Apparently, hiding was a great choice, because that guy sure sounds like a hypnotist to me, and I am thinking the most likely ability is mind controller (since Carnie Guy is fond of using them) and a mind control role would explain why I was not attacked directly. The mafia were hoping to use my persuasiveness to their advantage. The good news is that they didn't find me so I am not mind controlled and the additional good news is that we know they went after me, so nobody else is mind-controlled either. So, as of right now, my townie list includes Chaucer, Justin, and Hammered and my mildly suspcious list includes only Cheeselord.


Now, think about it: Hammereds claim supports Chaucer and Chaucers claim supports Hammereds - thats all. I think we are all missing the fact that they are not yet PROVEN TOWNIES!!! They could both very well be mafia in an ingenious plot to support each other. It worked - because now just about everyone trusts them.

Also, the claim about the hypnotist could be Hammered tying to make herself look like the victim, so that we trust her claim even more.




But dont listen to me, everyone knows that I am always wrong.
(Also, to those lynch-hunters out there(Who will probably try to lynch me for saying all that), I am NOT convicting Hammered... I am merely saying that nobody should trust her or Chaucer fully, for there is still the option that they are both mafia.)

[CheeseLord]

I have reason to believe Chaucer, and therefore Hammered, are telling the truth. However, I am still not entirely convinced that either of them is town. While I don't think Hammered is the hypnotist (it would be a bit too dangerous to claim to be someone else), I do agree that we have no guarantee that either of them is good.

[happystickman]

Chaucer could be a mafia cop! Its ben done before.

[ducklegion]

there might be a mafia cop but you never know.

[happystickman]

there might be a mafia cop but you never know.

I just said that.

[chaucer]

I am not mafia. I don't have any proof without actually posting my role PM, which is a no-no, so just believe that I'm not. Pretty please?

[Sol Hunt]

This might get me into trouble, but I am going to agree with Regen on this. The only proof we have that Chaucer or Hammered are good is each other. I am not saying they are mafia and should be lynched, but I am saying that we have to be very careful about believing them. Hammered, especially, is wicked persuasive. Even more so when she has something she can point you to (like Chaucer's stated inspection). It would be just like her to cook up a plot like this! :) (That's supposed to be a compliment, btw.)

There has been a suggestion that I be inspected. I would welcome it, since it would make it more likely that you would trust my thoughts and opinions, but I find Hammered's plan interesting (in light of the above proposed theory). Imagine if you will...

1. Doc protects Chaucer (who for these purposes is mafia with Hammered).
2. Chaucer investigates me (or pretends to).
3. Mafia, knowing who's being protected, go for one of our other role claimed townies. (Hmmm...did you notice which two started off the role claiming?) The most likely would be to kill of the doc himself, if they could figure out who it is (SO DON'T SAY ANYTHING!!).
4. Chaucer reports one of two things:
a - Sol Hunt is townie (if mafia aren't threatened by me and are willing to state the truth).
b - Sol Hunt is mafia (if they are confident they can get a lynch mob together quickly enough to get away with lying).

Results - we potentially lose 2 important townies (a power role through a mafia kill and a strategist, me, through a mob lynching). Hammered and Chaucer hang on to their positions of power and trust. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Or perhaps they are both townie. In that case...

1. Doc protects Chaucer.
2. Chaucer protects me.
3. Mafia, knowing that Chaucer is protected, go after the doc or another power role.
4. Chaucer informs everyone that I am townie.

Results - we potentially lose a power townie to the mafia, but we gain evidence that I am safe. (Making me at risk for mafia kill the next night.)

Hmmm...having laid it all out I see two problems. First, the results of both situations are the same. We lose the same number of people. Secondly, it would be easy for them to follow the second path, making us think they were good, while in fact still achieving the same pro-mafia results. Grr. Can anyone see a way for us to make it more likely to provide actual evidence? I seem to have thought myself into a corner.

Just for the record: the role-claimed townies who are at risk include 31337, Dave Hettel, and PCR. Chaucer and Hammered have also role-claimed, but they are exempt from this particular exercise.

[chaucer]

It's my fault that I've put the town in a corner like this. I should probably have just posted Hammered's innocence instead of her entire role.

[CheeseLord]

The main problem I have with these theories is that they assume that Hammered and Chaucer are both on the same side, which may or may not be true. Another problem is that they don't take into consideration the SK, who is still an important factor in this game. At the moment, the people who I do not believe to be the SK are Justin, Hammered, Chaucer, and myself. I'm still unsure about everyone else.
Also, how much longer do we have in this day?

[Coolguy]

Day will not get a deadline unless there's no activity at all or a huge amount of people start whining for one. :p

[Dave Hettel]

Just for the record: the role-claimed townies who are at risk include 31337, Dave Hettel, and PCR.
How do you actually know, though, that all three of us are townies? I believe that all three of us have the titles that we claimed, but how can you be sure that none of us is making up what his role does?

[Hammered]

The only person who has made a role claim that I totally believe is Chaucer and that is because he said he inspected me and he was right.

Sol has suggested that this is a plot cooked up by me, using Chaucer to lend credence to my innocence. If that is so, why hasn't whoever the real cop is come forward and called Chaucer's bluff? Why hasn't the real mole come forward and called mine? You can debate whether the mole is evil or not if you like, but there is no question as to whether a townie copy would be good. If Chaucer is not a townie cop, let the real cop come forward and call him a liar. Of course, whoever might come forward and say he is a townie cop (other than Chaucer) will get my vote for his/her reward, and I imagine will get Chaucer's vote as well. However, it shouldn't take my suggesting this to make it happen; whoever was a real cop, if it wasn't Chaucer, would already have done this.

If the truth were told, the reason I want Sol inspected is because I don't think CG would have put she and I on the same side, but that's just a gut feeling; he might have put us on the same side just because I think he wouldn't.

As for Cheeselord's suggestion that Chaucer and I may not be on the same side, that's just completely illogical. If Chaucer is a mafia cop, there would be an intrinsic value in him inspecting townies, but there would be no value in posting the inspection results as good for a widely trusted townie for the townies' benefit. Of course, the would be an advantage in him saying that I was good if we were both evil, but I am arguing here that Chaucer and I must be on the same side. If Chaucer is a townie cop, there is no reason at all to post that the inspection showed good if I wasn't. That would be beyond insane. So Chaucer and I must be on the same side.

The only question then would be are we both good or both evil. If we are evil then it would be completely crazy for me to say that there was probably a mind-controller about. The mind-controller is the most advantageous if nobody knows that he/she exists. Certainly after the first use people will know, but before any use would be crazy.

[regeneratorizer]

Sol has suggested that this is a plot cooked up by me

I never get any credit.....

[Sol Hunt]

PLEASE NOTE: I am discussing possiblities here. I have not made up my mind about anything and all of these opinions are subject to change as new ideas or evidence appear. :)

Cheeselord – I am assuming that you are so adamant about an SK because of the fifth shadow last night. Is it appropriate for us to be assuming that that shadow was trying to kill him? What if it was someone trying to protect or inspect him?

As for the Hammered/Chaucer issue...

This all started when Chaucer role claimed and identified Hammered as a mole. There are several options. Let's discuss the ramifications and likelihood of each...

1. Both are telling the truth.
This means that Chaucer is an inspector and should be protected. This also means that we can trust his revelation that Hammered is a mole with no clown items nearby. Finally, it means that a mole is a townie role and that there is a hypnotist among us who was attempting to co-opt Hammered's voice.
This scenario is the most likely if you take into account the med school rule that when you hear hoof beats you should think horses and not zebras. The simplest answer is the most likely. This is the simplest answer.

2. Both are lying cooperatively.
This means that Chaucer is lying about his role. It has already been suggested that there might be a mafia cop in the game. That is the only thing that makes sense. As Hammered pointed out, he couldn't very well claim to be a townie cop without getting caught unless there was no townie cop at all. So, in this situation, he's a mafia cop. He claims to inspect Hammered, identifying her as a mole with no clown items nearby. However, this is part of a plan being implemented by the two of them. Hammered could either be lying about her role or telling the truth about her role and lying about it's effects. None of us seem to be familiar with the “mole” character. The former suggestion is only possible if there is no other “mole” to challenge her. The latter is possible if she really is the mole, but it is a mafia related role. In this situation, I would hesitate to believe the hypnotist story unless we got further evidence.
This is a much more complicated idea than the first. However, given that CG is the host and Hammered is an involved party, I don't have a problem allowing for a little complexity. I kinda like the idea that they came up with something new and exciting as a mafia strategy.

3. Both are lying separately.
I can't actually think of a way in which this makes any sense. If they are both lying then they are both mafia. It doesn't make sense for them to both lie without working together.
This is so unlikely as to be laughable.

4. Only Chaucer is lying.
This could mean that Chaucer is not an inspector, but actually got incredibly lucky in guessing what Hammered's role is. If that happened, I could see a townie Hammered feeling as though she should defend Chaucer. Here, we can assume that there is a hypnotist around. However, the chances of him guessing mole as a role are pretty slim.
This scenario is not likely at all.

5. Only Hammered is lying.
In this situation, Chaucer inspects Hammered and identifies her as a mole with no clown items nearby. Hammered uses this to perpetrate the lie that her role is a townie one, rather than a mafia one. In this case, we know her role, but not its powers. We should also be questioning the existence of the hypnotist here.
This scenario is possible, but not particularly likely in my opinion.

In my next post I will respond to Hammered's post...I didn't want this one to get too overly long.

[Sol Hunt]

The only person who has made a role claim that I totally believe is Chaucer and that is because he said he inspected me and he was right.

This is great to know if we get evidence that Hammered is townie. Then I would back it 100%.

Sol has suggested that this is a plot cooked up by me, using Chaucer to lend credence to my innocence.

Not true. I suggested that it was a plot cooked up by the both of you.

If that is so, why hasn't whoever the real cop is come forward and called Chaucer's bluff? Why hasn't the real mole come forward and called mine? You can debate whether the mole is evil or not if you like, but there is no question as to whether a townie copy would be good. If Chaucer is not a townie cop, let the real cop come forward and call him a liar. Of course, whoever might come forward and say he is a townie cop (other than Chaucer) will get my vote for his/her reward, and I imagine will get Chaucer's vote as well. However, it shouldn't take my suggesting this to make it happen; whoever was a real cop, if it wasn't Chaucer, would already have done this.

Questions. What if he's a mafia cop? What if there's more than one townie cop? What if there is NO townie cop? Are any of these scenarios possible? I haven't been playing Mafia long enough to know.

If the truth were told, the reason I want Sol inspected is because I don't think CG would have put she and I on the same side, but that's just a gut feeling; he might have put us on the same side just because I think he wouldn't.

I actually feel the same way. :) Hence the suspicion. It would be great if we could get some irrefutable proof on at least one of us.

As for Cheeselord's suggestion that Chaucer and I may not be on the same side, that's just completely illogical. If Chaucer is a mafia cop, there would be an intrinsic value in him inspecting townies, but there would be no value in posting the inspection results as good for a widely trusted townie for the townies' benefit. Of course, the would be an advantage in him saying that I was good if we were both evil, but I am arguing here that Chaucer and I must be on the same side. If Chaucer is a townie cop, there is no reason at all to post that the inspection showed good if I wasn't. That would be beyond insane. So Chaucer and I must be on the same side.

I agree that the chances of you being on different sides are low. However, I'm not convinced that you aren't both mafia.

The only question then would be are we both good or both evil. If we are evil then it would be completely crazy for me to say that there was probably a mind-controller about. The mind-controller is the most advantageous if nobody knows that he/she exists. Certainly after the first use people will know, but before any use would be crazy.

Unless there is no mind controller at all and you're just trying to stir things up.

- - - - - - -

Again, I want everyone to know that I am not coming down solidly on the side of Chaucer and Hammered being mafia. I'm trying to ask questions and have discussions in an attempt to find out. Much of what I am saying here involves playing the role of Devil's Advocate and asking, "what if".

[regeneratorizer]

Sorry for double posting, but I forgot to post these things. Ok, I am going to mark each point in the quote with (1) or another number, just to make it easier for me.

The only person who has made a role claim that I totally believe is Chaucer and that is because he said he inspected me and he was right.

Sol has suggested that this is a plot cooked up by me, using Chaucer to lend credence to my innocence. <1>If that is so, why hasn't whoever the real cop is come forward and called Chaucer's bluff? Why hasn't the real mole come forward and called mine? You can debate whether the mole is evil or not if you like, but there is no question as to whether a townie copy would be good. If Chaucer is not a townie cop, let the real cop come forward and call him a liar. Of course, whoever might come forward and say he is a townie cop (other than Chaucer) will get my vote for his/her reward, and I imagine will get Chaucer's vote as well. However, it shouldn't take my suggesting this to make it happen; whoever was a real cop, if it wasn't Chaucer, would already have done this.<1>

<2>If the truth were told, the reason I want Sol inspected is because I don't think CG would have put she and I on the same side, but that's just a gut feeling; he might have put us on the same side just because I think he wouldn't.</2>

<3>As for Cheeselord's suggestion that Chaucer and I may not be on the same side, that's just completely illogical. If Chaucer is a mafia cop, there would be an intrinsic value in him inspecting townies, but there would be no value in posting the inspection results as good for a widely trusted townie for the townies' benefit. Of course, the would be an advantage in him saying that I was good if we were both evil, but I am arguing here that Chaucer and I must be on the same side. If Chaucer is a townie cop, there is no reason at all to post that the inspection showed good if I wasn't. That would be beyond insane. So Chaucer and I must be on the same side.</3>

The only question then would be are we both good or both evil. If we are evil then it would be completely crazy for me to say that there was probably a mind-controller about. The mind-controller is the most advantageous if nobody knows that he/she exists. Certainly after the first use people will know, but before any use would be crazy.

<1> First of all, there could be more than one cop! I believe Hammered said it best herself, Sorry, no, Chaucer is the cop, although I suppose there could be more than one.I am more convinced that Hammered is a mafia now because of this. She completely goes against herself here! It is not usual Hammered behavior to do this!! </1>

<2> Now, maybe its just me, but this sounds an awful lot like trying to get Sol lynched. Think about it, If everyone thinks Hammered is a townie, she can say ''Well, that means that Sol is most likely mafia. I mean, who would put us on the same team?'' after the lynch, when Sol is found to be townie(Just a guess, I get the feeling that Sol is townie) she can say ''Well, I DID say that there was a possibility that he DID put us on the same team, seeing as he might have thought that I would have thought the opposite'' or something. I dont think Hammered would try to get evidence on somebody like that if she was a townie. This just struck me as mafia behavior. </2>

<3>Well, I suppose I have failed to post the OTHER theorys I have been thinking about - the fact that Chaucer just MAY be on an opposite team as Hammered. We have a couple things to look at here.

1. Chaucer is the mind controller, Hammered is the mole(townie mole).

Chaucer tells CG to MC Hammered, but Hammered is hiding. CG has to tell Chaucer that the MC failed, but knowing CG, he wont just say ''Your MC failed''. He might try to give a description. In this description, he might say ''You enter Hammereds house. You see a small hole in the ground, but no Hammered. You leave''. Chaucer would then look at the list of roles, see that the only hole diggable creature would be the Mole, so he works out that Hammered is the mole. He uses this to his advantage, posting that Hammered is (probably) a townie mole. This gains him points with the rest of the townie - less likely to be lynched, because he is a COP.

Also, note that Hammered NEVER saw a cop come along at night, but she did notice the MC. Why would CG only report about the MC coming along but not the cop??

2. Hammered is a mafia(godfather) and Chaucer is the cop.

Note that in some of the games, the Godfather is seen as townie on all inspections. Chaucer went to Hammereds quarters, saw nothing mafia like. Also note that all clown gear was likely taken out to go townie-hunting, but I dont think that CG would be that specific with his inspections.

I think it is more likely that Hammered and Chaucer are paired mafia, but thats just me. I leave it to yall to come up with your own theories. There, theres my rant for the day.

[Sol Hunt]

I never get any credit.....

Here's your credit...

Hammered and Chaucer are involved in a giant conspiracy and Regen is the ringleader.

:)

[Hammered]

First of all, there could be more than one cop! I believe Hammered said it best herself, I am more convinced that Hammered is a mafia now because of this. She completely goes against herself here! It is not usual Hammered behavior to do this!!
Minor point here Regen: I never said there couldn't be another cop. All I said was that if Chaucer was falsely claiming to be a cop, the real cop would have come foreward to refute his claim. This could mean that there is only one cop and it is Chaucer. Certainly, there is more evidence that there is only one cop than that there is more than one, since nobody has claimed that Chaucer is lying.

Your absolutely desperate need to make me a lynch target because the plan to mind-control me failed leads me to put you on my very suspiciouls list.

As for Sol's posts, she has done a good job of laying out the possibilities for us, but the conspiracy theory post is more than a little wacky. I suppose I should take it with the sense of playfulness that I believe she intended.

[regeneratorizer]

[/b]
Minor point here Regen: I never said there couldn't be another cop. All I said was that if Chaucer was falsely claiming to be a cop, the real cop would have come foreward to refute his claim. This could mean that there is only one cop and it is Chaucer. Certainly, there is more evidence that there is only one cop than that there is more than one, since nobody has claimed that Chaucer is lying.


Hold on, I have to read this again....

Ok, read it again, and my mind is boggled. WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!

Why would a cop try to go against Chaucers claim against being a cop? First of all, if there are two cops, the other cop wouldnt know who the other cop is, therefor couldnt say ''Chaucer is lying, blah blah is really the other cop.''. If Chaucer is lying, and there is only ONE cop, the other cop wouldnt know that there isnt more than 1 cop, and would assume that Chaucer is the other cop(since he doesnt know there is only one cop).

Ok, I have doubt that Hammered would post something like that. So, if I am misunderstanding the meaning of the post, could someone point it out?

[Hammered]

From what I see, there are 16 players.

25% or 4 of these are mafia - that is the traditional percentage.

There is, I am pretty sure, but not 100%, a serial killer.

That leaves 11 townies.

The town roles include a cop and an inventor and a hider. It would be shocking if there wasn't a doctor. I don't think CG would do that, but I also don't think that he would give the town two cops and an inventor. That would make the game unbalanced, and I don't believe it is a mistake that CG would make. In my mind, it means it is unlikely that there is more than one cop. Mind you, I didn't say impossible. It is possible there is another copy. It just isn't very likely.

I hope this resolves Regen's confusion.

[regeneratorizer]

Oh, so we know there is an inventor now? Are you talking about the balloon seller? I said that the balloon seller could be an inventor, but somebody said ''no, he must be a doctor'' or something, so I assumed that he was the doctor.

[PlasmaCannonsRule]

Ermm, from Mafia 15 (scary one, with all that space\time ripping), I'm guessing that the Balloon Seller is the inventor.

[chaucer]

Regen, as far as I know, there is only one cop. Guess who I think it is?

Now, onto other points, Regen, I don't suspect you much, but you do seem to subtly be waging war against me and Hammered, putting you on my mildly suspicious list. Since we still have no actual reason to believe that anyone is a space clown, I will guess that we have very good players who got those roles, as well as players who have been playing for quite a while. Or maybe a couple of them are lurkers. Thus, my suspicious list includes:

Dave Hettel
Drgamer
Ducklegion
Roland
Sol Hunt
WackieWatty
Wesley

I know, that's seven people, but my suspicions don't really have to limit to five (four mafia and a serial killer) people at this early stage in the game.
Roland hasn't posted at all. WackieWatty has posted little, a good mafia strategy to not have many posts to incriminate you, but enough to not make you a lurker. Ducklegion could be doing this as well.

Dave has done little to incriminate himself, but is still a good player who would know better than to go about acting suspicious.

Drgamer hasn't posted all that much, but looking back, his computer isn't working. Then again, that could be lying. Wesley has also been fairly underactive.

Then, there's sol. At this point, the most suspicious to me, because she is simply so good at being logical, that it would almost be like having ten cops on one team to have her and Hammered on the town side. Since Hammered IS on the town side (even if people don't believe me), I will probably inspect Sol tonight, unless she is lynched today, which I am not (yet) going to try to do, as there is no REAL reason to suspect her. So, after all that, this is my very suspicious list:

Sol Hunt
Ducklegion
WackieWatty
DrGamer.

So, a piece from you if you want to defend yourselves, and then I'll decide on my probably mafia list.

[Hammered]

Um, I do have invisi-mode turned on after CG sent me a PM about it. Also, I'm the Balloon Seller. I'll tell you this much: I'm not just a doctor. From the PM, I think I may have seen a vigilante-like power. Of course, Coolguy only told me the name of my powers, not what they do. Oh well, at least I saved a townie. Personally, I was trying to roleblock or take him away for the day, just in case he was (duh-duh-duh-duh!) mafia!

PCR, I would venture a guess that the balloon seller is a doctor, and he sees something if the person he protects is attacked. For example: You defend/sell a balloon to Justin, he gets attacked, so you see the assailants from the air, but not well enough to tell who they were. If Justin had not been attacked, I suspect nothing would have been seen.

Oh, so we know there is an inventor now? Are you talking about the balloon seller? I said that the balloon seller could be an inventor, but somebody said ''no, he must be a doctor'' or something, so I assumed that he was the doctor.
Why do you insist on being so argumentative, Regen? Chaucer said you were wrong about PCR being an inventor so there must not be an invertor? A smart player says you were right, so she must be lying? What PCR has described is clearly an inventor. Since you were right about that, Chaucer must be the one who was mistaken. Note that this does not make Chaucer not a townie or not a cop, it just means that he was mistaken. PCR says he has several abilities. If that is true, he is most likely an inventor that has some devices or skills that are one use only. Often, but not always, there is a little twist in using such a skill or device, like the protection ability might also role block the protectee. This is especially likely if the host has a twisted sense of humor. (Remind you of anybody? :twisted:) The town is at a disadvantage, numbers wise, because of the serial killer. It wouldn't be fair to have a role-blocking doctor. There must be a regular doctor as well.

[happystickman]

Drgamer hasn't posted all that much, but looking back, his computer isn't working. Then again, that could be lying.

He's not, Ive seen proof his computer is fried (sorta).

[drgamer]

Uh yeah... I have been posting... And my computer didn't work the first day... But I HAVE posted... I remember the last time that very same reason was used against me. Gee, how creative to use the same exact tactic of "Oh he didn't post much" ignoring the fact that I have posted a fair amount of posts. Gee, maybe it's because I don't really have much to say. Maybe it's because I have a life? Or maybe it's just because I don't want to post something like "lol. I agreez"

For those wondering, my power supply died. No more blue glow :( [A handy thing because it lit up the room allowing me to see the door if/when I had to get out of my room at night]

[Mr.Onion]

My Thoughts
Employees:
31337 - Made a role claim as a normal townie, also then commented they wouldn't kill him. Generally made unhelpful posts.

AtkinsSJ - Hasn't posted at all, but is in France, so can't help it. No idea.

Chaucer - Claimed as the cop, and then said he didn't realise his vunerability to the mafia. I'm inclined to believe him, although if
he is evil, Hammered is very likely to be evil too. Vaugely Suspiscious

Cheeselord - Suspected Hammered until she specified what her role was, and was reluctant to vote, then said that he believed Hammered & Chaucer was telling the truth, but didn't specify why.Probably innocent, but could be mafia

Dave Hettel - Didn't post until he got a double-vote. Roleclaimed as the Ticket Booth Guy, although said he wasn't sure what he did. Fairly suspiscious

DrGamer - Says that his computer's not working, which I don't believe since he posted at least once a day for the 4 days before he posted that message. Implied that there might be 3 killing factions.Fairly suspiscious

Ducklegion - Commented about Invisible mode, and repeated something HSM said immediatly before. Hasn't posted much.Fairly suspiscious

Hammered - Role-claimed as Mole, a hider. Has been making lots of posts, so I can't evily random-vote her like I did last time. :p Probably innocent

Happystickman - Seemed over-enthusiastic about lynching a mafia. Suspects Chaucer, despite admitting to misunderstanding his post.Fairly, bordering on highly, suspiscious

Justin - PROVED INNOCENT By Mafiaso attack

PlasmaCannonsRule - Claimed as an Inventor. Probably innocent

Roland - On holiday. Unknown

Sol Hunt - Agrees with Regen,(Gasp!:p) and suspects Hammered (Double gasp! :p )and Chaucer. Probably Innocent.

WackieWatty - Has only posted once, which is itself is suspiscious. Fairly, bordering on highly, suspiscious

Wesley - Has only posted once, but hasn't said anything useful. Highly suspiscious.

[drgamer]

DrGamer - Says that his computer's not working, which I don't believe since he posted at least once a day for the 4 days before he posted that message. Implied that there might be 3 killing factions.Fairly suspisciousGeeze will you people try to PAY ATTENTION to what I'm saying before blaming me on suspicions that already were mostly explained away?!?!?!

Alright, night a few days ago, my power supply broke. This was monday I think... I was able to use my dad's comp to post on Hamumu, but it is very inconvenient and I can't post all that much on my dad's comp. Late tuesday my dad came home and was able to fix my comp... And that's when I was using Ubuntu again, otherwise known as my computer. You want me to point fingers at people and make myself look suspicious? Will THAT get you off of thinking that I'm mafia?

And for those that go "Oh look he defended himself. He must be mafia."

Well, let's say there is a court case, and the guy accused doesn't defend himself. He gets charged guilty. If the same guy defends himself in the court case, who would say "Hey! You defended yourself! You must be guilty!" ?

EDIT: and when did I suggest three killing factions? I only said the mafia (which appears to be the four shadowy figures...), and the vigilante... Are you saying that you're the third group?

[chaucer]

I agree with most of what Mr. Onion said, as most of his fairly suspicious people were on my very suspicious list. Thinking about it, Wesley has been silent throughout most of the game. What he did post was useless.

Probably mafia list:
Wesley
??
??
??

As for the Serial Killer, he could be anyone.

[Dave Hettel]

Mr. Onion, I could've sworn Wesley said he was going to be gone for a day or two. You seem very suspicious of practically everybody, which makes me suspicious of you...

The person I'm most suspicious about is Coolguy. You can't help but wonder what he's up to... :twisted:

[regeneratorizer]

Hey, Mr. O, dont leave me out! What are your suspicions on me? They better be good, or else... :twisted::twisted:

[Wesley]

I agree with most of what Mr. Onion said, as most of his fairly suspicious people were on my very suspicious list. Thinking about it, Wesley has been silent throughout most of the game. What he did post was useless.

Probably mafia list:
Wesley
??
??
??

As for the Serial Killer, he could be anyone.

I only posted near the end of Page 2 to say I was back from my trip. I didn't post anything since, because there wasn't much I could say. Besides, I'm generally quiet in all the mafia games, regardless of reason. And also, I'm a mafia because I'm quiet? There's hardly any reasoning behind that at all! Being quiet doesn't make you a mafia. There were other people on your suspicious list. Why specifically pick me?

[chaucer]

Because I haven't heard a piece about/from them.

[Mr.Onion]

Actually, just from that, my suspiscions of Chaucer are very slowly rising. :p

[PlasmaCannonsRule]

Actually, just from that, my suspiscions of Chaucer are very slowly rising. :p

Same here.

[Hammered]

What I find very suspicious is that Roland has posted in the Graveyard Mafia topic, but not in the Carnival Mafia topic.

[chaucer]

That's something. By the way, I'm NOT a mafia.

[happystickman]

Roland probably just has nothing to say at this point. Dont just lynch someone becuase their lurking.

[WackieWatty]

Just to let you all know, I went on a school trip to Alton Towers yesterday, and we didn't get back until about 10PM. I haven't been on my computer since Wednesday.

There are almost 2 pages of new posts in this thread, and at the moment I really can't be bothered to read them ALL, thus I will just say some random stuff.

Everyone going on about Hammered and Chaucer being mafia is pretty muchb continuing what I said in my (last?) post. However, you all need to understand that the people who are maybe trying TOO hard to show Hammered and Chaucer as being mafia could be mafia themselves.

Also, I see little point in guessing what the roles do, etc.

And, to answer the question Hammered brought up about why- if Chaucer wasn't a cop- the real cop hasn't stepped forward..... well, maybe they don't want to role-claim. I mean, then the mafia would know who they were and kill them off. Therefore it is a (slim) possibility that Hammered and Chaucer ARE putting on an act to get the real cop to step forward so they can kill them off. Sounds crazy, and I'm not justifying it, but it is possible.

[Roland]

What I find very suspicious is that Roland has posted in the Graveyard Mafia topic, but not in the Carnival Mafia topic.

I'm typing up a long post... It'll be here in a sec! Essentially, I've only been lurking for less than a day.

[Roland]

Here it is! A character profile, that is:

31337 - Role claimed. His role claim, according to him, had no powers. Posted quite a bit, but had no accusations or anything. If he were a townie, it would explain the fact he didn't do anything suspicious. If he were a mafia, that would also explain the same thing. This is how he's played in previous games, however, so that's not a real point to make. But it would explain this: He roleclaimed to be a powerless townie. Now, imagine if he had roleclaimed to be a power role: He would have to go along and act and give inspections or whatever it was the role did for the whole game. Also, the real one would come up and scrutinize. So, it's easy to role-claim a simple townie role, now isn't it? Of course, now I realize that after typing all of this, that a mafia would not get any benefit from role-claiming to be a normal townie. Overall, I say he's probably good.

Atkins - Went on a trip to France. Didn't post. Lol.

Chaucer - Has been active. Role claimed a investigative role which had a consequence: She found Hammered to be a Mole. They have been protecting each other. He also seems to sound like he knows a bit about the balloon seller. Accused HSM, but did not vote. If he were a townie, it could explain his logical accusation of HSM, the fact he role-claimed to be a special character and perhaps to some extent why he is teaming up with Hammered. If he were a mafia, he might be fooling Hammered into teaming with him. Just because his results are correct, doesn’t mean he’s not mafia. A mafia cop, specifically. Nobody’s inspected HIM, amirite? Realistically though, I think he’s a townie.

Cheeselord – Is acting a lot like he did last game. Not too many suspicions, but pondering on what the roles could be. If he were a townie, it would explain why he isn’t rushing the town or anything. If he were a mafia, it would explain why he’s playing a lot like he did last game. Overall, he’s one of the more suspicious, although not very suspicious at all. If you get my drift.

Dave Hettel – Hardly posted. Eh. A lot like some of the others, if a townie it explains not being suspicious, if mafia it explains him not posting anything substantial. Conclusion: Meh.

DrGamer – Similar as Dave Hettel, but with more substance to his posts. So, probably townie, but that’s not conclusive by any means at this stage.

Ducklegion – Has acted similar to other games. Not much info. Same as Dave Hettel.

Hammered – Has posted a lot, and with substance. Has acted a lot like the Hammered in previous games as being a townie. She has teamed with Chaucer, not unlike the way she teamed with Coolguy in Pirate Mafia (Game #14). Coolguy was a mafia in that game, however. Her being a townie would explain claiming as the mole, as it seems like a complex-sounding and therefore difficult role to fake. Also, she is acting, as I previously stated, very similar to games before. If she were a mafia, then Chaucer could be an insane cop, which could throw us completely. That is a very unlikely prospect however, and no immediate action should be taken on those grounds alone. However, Chaucer and Hammered could both be mafia. Think about it. All Chaucer has to do is say that he has inspected Hammered and that she is the mole, and then Hammered agrees. When they’re both mafia, that is incredibly easy to do. Because they know each other's roles. The only way we can find out if this is true, is for another investigative role to inspect either of them. Preferably Hammered. Right now, if I had to say, she is town. But if there is another investigative role, please inspect Hammered.

Happystickman – Has been active. Posted for people to, “Act suspicious”. Has acted a little clumsy, and eager to get a lynch. Hasn’t done anything to assume he is a townie. Essentially, he looks like a mafia. But it’s hard to say at this point. It’s just too early. Let the game go on longer, and then we’ll see.

Justin – Is 99% townie. The only way he could ever be mafia is if he gets converted somehow. HIGHLY unlikely!

Mr. Onion – Has been actively posting. Has not made accusations out of the ordinary, but chiming in timely when necessary (e.g. “You seem rather over-enthusiastic. :p). Not dissimilar to other games he has played as a townsperson. He did, however, find it “semi-suspicious” that I had not posted while on a holiday. If he were a townie, it would explain all those points shown except the last. Of course, that just could have been something he overlooked. If it was intentional, well, that’s the only mafia-like activity I can find. /me thinks he is good. ;)

PCR – Role claimed an elaborate role. Didn’t do much else, apart from being active. If he was a townie, that would explain the roleclaim. Being mafia would explain one way far out concept: He asked, after he realized that roleclaiming was dangerous, that the doctor would protect him. The problem with this is that if a doctor protects a mafia, he dies, doesn’t he? Or is that just a possible variation? I would like to know if that is the case in this game.

Roland – I AM SOOOOO HIP.

Sol Hunt – Has been active, and anything but complacent. Played a lot like her previous games, in which she was consistently a townie. Took a logical and practical opinion on the Cop-Mole debate. But not pressing opinions or voting. Probably town.

Wackiewatty – Posted, like, twice or something. And his absence explained by some trip. Those posts were thought out, but weren’t rushing the town into a vote. Probably townie.

Wesley – Went on vacation (haven’t we all?). Hasn’t posted much, but is not acting dissimilar to previous games, except he is quieter. I say he should post a bit more. He has not posted anything substantial yet. Conclusively… I can’t say.

Feel free to point out anything I have gotten wrong here. Except the description on mine. :p

[regeneratorizer]

So, what, am I not playing or something? Nobody seems to be including me in their ''This is what I think about everyone in the game'' list.

[happystickman]

Regen - Grumpy becuase no one is including him. MAFIA! :p

[Coolguy]

Atkins - Went on a trip to France. Didn't post. Lol.



Atkins is on a vacation, so he got replaced by Regeneratorizer.

Wow- Seconds are long in Australia.

[Coolguy]

Grrrr, anybody out there want to play? :p I need somebody to replace HSM because he's gone on vacation.

[Mr.Onion]

Atkins is coming back tommorow or the next day.

[Coolguy]

I can't do that until Regen is dead because then Atkins would have extra information about Regen's role, not to mention that Atkins' original role may have been evil so he could give away the clown members if he replaced a townie. If Regen is dead and if his role is good, then I can put Atkins on the replacements list.

[chaucer]

Methinks that we aren't gonna ever decide on a vote for today. Since I don't really know who to vote, I'll just wait for someone to incriminate themselves, then I'll vote.

[regeneratorizer]

A deadline might be in order, but thats just me. I dont see much of a reason to vote for anyone.

[Mr.Onion]

We're gettng far too good at this game. :p

[Coolguy]

A deadline is only needed when there's no posting/conversation at all. There's still progress going on right now, so I don't think a deadline is needed.

[Sol Hunt]

Okay...I have a ton of things to say. Stupid satellite went out, so I couldn't post for awhile. I specifically came into town (gotta love free wifi at the library) JUST so I could read up and keep involved. How's that for dedication!?

This may take a few posts...bear with me.

REGEN:
“Ok, I have doubt that Hammered would post something like that. So, if I am misunderstanding the meaning of the post, could someone point it out? “
I agreed that that post by Hammered was quite suspicious. However, her subsequent posts seemed to clear things up a bit.
Also - people keep leaving you off because they are working with an old list...they talk about Atkins, who was replaced by you.

DR. GAMER:
“But I HAVE posted...”
You have in fact posted 11 times. Your explanation of your computer problems makes good sense. I saw nothing suspicious about your behavior until you flipped out at the thought of being labelled mafia. You might want to chill just a tad.

CHAUCER:
Your logic baffles me, dude. You took Roland and Wesley off your suspicious list because of lurking behaviors? It seems to me that we usually label lurkers like that as mafia rather than townie. You seem to know this because you KEEP WW and DuckLegion on the list for just this reason.

Also, you say Dave H is a good enough player to act innocent, but then you promptly take him off the guilty list. Aren't you playing right into his act?

While I understand your point about it being dangerous to have Hammered and me on the same team (thanks for the compliment, btw), that is NOT a logical argument. It is possible that CG assigned roles randomly. If you ask me, that is how it's supposed to be done. In that case, we could easily end up on the same side.

HAPPYSTICKMAN:
Dont just lynch someone becuase their lurking.
First of all, EDIT! Good grief. That sentence was enough to make my teacher brain go into convulsions. But enough of that...
I happen to think that lurking is a lynchable offense. If someone isn't participating in the game, they deserve to go. It just holds things up for the rest of us. Granted, this game has been pretty active, so it hasn't been much of a problem, but usually it just makes everything boring. So, lurkers must hang.

WACKYWATTY:
Therefore it is a (slim) possibility that Hammered and Chaucer ARE putting on an act to get the real cop to step forward so they can kill them off.
Good point. I'm going to be very disappointed if they AREN'T using this very clever scheme we have put together for them. :) It's a great mafia play that is going to waste. No one will ever be able to use it that way again, it's too recognizable.

ROLAND:
Nice summary of what people have been doing. I was in the middle of one of my own, but now I don't think it's necessary. Thanks for saving me the time.

NEW STUFF:
Okay. So here we are, with lots of suspicions and no one willing to make the first vote. Being the impatient soul (Get it? Sol. Soul. Get it?) that I am, I am going to take that chance. It always gets me lynched, but I'm willing to sacrifice myself for the good of the town. So here goes...

The big sticking point seems to be Hammered and Chaucer. Are they or aren't they mafia? It seems to me there is one good way of finding out. The problem is...who should be the guinea pig? They both claim to have power roles. This is going to immediately get me bumped to the top of everyone's suspect list, but...
I think we should VOTE: HAMMERED. If she turns out to be mafia, we know that Chaucer is bad. If she turns out to be townie, then we know that Chaucer is a townie cop and trustworthy. If we were to go the other way, we could potentially lose our only town cop. I just don't see Hammered's role as being that important. Of course, that's because I can't really tell how her role is useful in the first place. Perhaps she could shed some light on the subject?

There you go, guys. It's time to start voting. Vote with me. Vote against me. Vote FOR me. Just make a decision.

SolHunt out.

[regeneratorizer]

Well, I was waiting for someone else to vote for her first, so I didnt seem extremely suspicious when I did. So, here goes.

VOTE: Hammered.

[Hammered]

Sol seems to neglect the obvious possibility that Chaucer and I are telling the truth in favor of the convoluted scheme the she came up with. There are two possible reasons for Chaucer's and my posts:

1.) Sol is a townie and has deluded herself into believing what would be a clever plan actually happened.

2.) Sol is a mafia and has decided that it would be better if the townies lynched me, since I can hide from mafia attacks.

I considered just not posting until after that library closed, but since Regen has been misled by her theories, I have decided I need to say something now, before you people get carried away. I also considered voting Sol, because she voted me, but I am not going to do that either. Instead, I will post a logical analysis of both possibilities.

Possible combo #1: Sol and Hammered are both town

The mafia has to love this situation. Two smart players squaring off against each other and failing to give proper attention to the real bad guys. Once one of them gets the other lynched and that one is proved innocent, the other looks guilty and will be lynched on the next round. In this case, the best solution would be to wait until another investigation is done. The inventor probably has this capability and thus there may be only one cop, so the inventor should try to investigate Chaucer, and Chaucer should investigate Sol. If there is another investigator, he should investigate someone else, so we can learn something new and not continuously be reinspecting the same people. Killing any of the three valuable players doesn't seem like the best way to prove this, when the investigation could easily solve it. Once all three of these people have been proved town, we can move to find the real bad guys.

Possible combo #2: Sol is town and Hammered is mafia

Sol has uncovered a plan that really isn't as brilliant as it seems on the surface. A cop could investigate either Chaucer or Hammered once they made their claim and the mafia would lose two players. Why risk sacrificing two players when Hammered is generally trusted until proven to be untrustworthy? This plan might have been a good choice later in the game, but not in the first round. In this case, the best solution is almost the same as for combo #1, the inventor should try to investigate Chaucer to uncover his evilness and it doesn't matter who Chaucer himself investigates, since he is evil. (Why else would he have lied about Hammered being good?) The inventor can report the results on the next day and Hammered can be lynched followed by Chaucer on the next day. If there is another cop, he should investigate someone else, so we don't waste an investigation.

Possible combo #3: Sol is mafia and Hammered is town

Sol made up this whole thing in an effort to get Hammered lynched, because the mind-control thing didn't work and she can just say that she was sorry she was wrong. In this case, the solution is to have the inventor investigate Chaucer to prove his goodness and Chaucer should investigate Sol to prove her evilness and she can be gotten on the next day. If there is another cop, he should investigate someone else, so we don't waste an investigation.

Possible combo #4: Sol and Hammered are both mafia

Well, OK, this one is totally nuts and I am including it only for completeness. Sol and Hammered are fighting so that if one of them is proven guilty the other will look innocent. This would be a dumb move, since both of them are reasonable trustworthy, but if the inventor investigates Chaucer, he can post the result and prove Chaucer ,and thus Hammered, evil. It doesn't matter who Chaucer investigates in this case, because nobody will believe him anyway. If there is another cop, he should investigate someone else, so we don't waste an investigation. If Hammered and Chaucer are proven evil, the following night someone should investigate Sol, just to prove that this is not the case. The real reason that nobody should believe this is the case is because it would be dumb of me to reveal that plan here.


So, I think the plan, regargardless of the theory you prefer, should be for the inventor to investigate Chaucer, Chaucer to investigate Sol, and if there is another investigator, he should investigate someone else. Any lynch involving either Hammered, Sol, or Chaucer loses the town a valuable player, if they are a townie, so let's not act in haste.

Now, how will I vote. Sol's vote for me was either misguided or evil. Either way, Regen was awfully quick to try and jump on that potential bandwagon, so I am going to VOTE: Regen!

[Sol Hunt]

I concur.

The investigations should go just as Hammered said...

however, this only works if it isn't possible for the mafia to kill one of our investigators before they can tell what they learned. Or for the mafia to take mind control of one of the investigators before they report...

What is the likelihood of that happening?

[Dave Hettel]

I agree that there is only one way to find out whether Hammered and Chaucer are mafia, and that is by voting one of them. However, I think voting for Hammered over Chaucer is a slightly bad idea. First of all, no offense to Chaucer, but I think Hammered would be a much more valuable player than Chaucer is for whichever side they happen to be on.

Let's assume for a second that both Hammered and Chaucer are townies. If this bandwagon were to continue, then Hammered would obviously be out of here. Unfortunately, this means that until Hammered is too dead for us to bring her back, we can't tell if she's mafia or townie. If they both happen to be townies, it'd be better knowing that before we kill Hammered, but after we kill Chaucer. I know that if Chaucer is a townie cop, it might be worse to go after him first, but if they are both townies, at least we'd have Hammered. ;)

Unfortunately, though, it's quite hard to shift the direction of a bandwagon, so I'm just going to have to jump on and vote to lynch Hammered.


Also, you say Dave H is a good enough player to act innocent, but then you promptly take him off the guilty list. Aren't you playing right into his act?
That would be a good observation, if I didn't happen to be innocent. Unfortunately, even though I can be quite a good actor if necessary, I see no reason to act as a townie when I've already mastered the role. ;)

[Hammered]

If any of the aforementioned people are killed by the mafia, they can still post the result in their last gasp, as you should know. I am wondering why you are ingnoring that, though.

[Sol Hunt]

Oh, I know they could last gasp if they got to do their investigation...
I was more worried about the timing of the deaths...since I DON'T actually know how mafia night works...

FOR EXAMPLE:
If the mafia send in their PM to kill Chaucer BEFORE he sends in his PM to investigate me...does he still get to investigate and reveal what he saw in his last gasp?

If so, then I see NO reason why this plan wouldn't work and the only problem is figuring out who to vote off to get night going. If not, then I have a problem with the plan because we are basically telling the mafia who to vote for (provided they do it quickly). See what I mean?

[Sol Hunt]

BTW, Dave. This is hardly a strong bandwagon at this point with only 2 votes (not counting you) and one of those (me) admittedly willing to change if convinced. I'm surprised you are so unwilling to make an effort to change it if you really don't agree with it. There are 14 other people who might feel the same way you do...and yet you fall right in line with my questionable vote? Hmmm...

[Hammered]

It comes down to this. Killing either Sol, Hammered, or Chaucer permanently removes a very valuable player from the game. Investigating prevents a miscarriage of justice. Why are you unwilling to wait for the results? On the off chance that you are advocating this course of action because you are unfamiliar with the mechanics, I am willing to wait until after the investigation. It seems very suspicious to me that you are not.

[Mr.Onion]

There seems to be one clear option as to who to lynch, if we want to temporalily take Chaucer's word and not vote for either of those 3. Vote: No Lynch!

[Sol Hunt]

Hammered - Are you talking to me or to Dave? Cause I am totally willing to wait for the results of an investigation IF we'll actually get them. Did you see my last question? (4 posts back)

[regeneratorizer]

but since Regen has been misled by her theories, I have decided I need to say something now, before you people get carried away.

HEY! Now, thats just not fair! Those are MY theories that I have been misled by!

[Mr.Onion]

OK, until CG answers that I'll UNVOTE.

[Hammered]

I was addressing you Sol - you are the one who started this bandwagon.

[Sol Hunt]

There seems to be one clear option as to who to lynch, if we want to temporalily take Chaucer's word and not vote for either of those 3. Vote: No Lynch!

This is an option I hadn't even considered. Is it allowed? Cause I would totally do this.

It would set us slightly behind in the numbers...Mafia would get more chances to vote in the end, but it would provide us with some much needed info.

So, Siege...Bossman...is this something we can do?

The other alternative is to vote someone else off...I know that Hammered is pushing for Regen, but I'm not ready to jump on that bandwagon. Anyone else who deserves to go? Perhaps a lurker? Better speak up, boys!

[Coolguy]

Yay, first vote count. :p

Regeneratorizer - 1 (Hammered)
Hammered- 3 (Sol Hunt, Dave Hettel, Regeneratorizer)

9 to lynch.

EDIT: Yeah, I guess No Lynch is a valid option.

[Mr.Onion]

Vote: No Lynch! We need to get Night results, but the mafia are very difficult to find.

[Sol Hunt]

Oh, I know they could last gasp if they got to do their investigation...
I was more worried about the timing of the deaths...since I DON'T actually know how mafia night works...

FOR EXAMPLE:
If the mafia send in their PM to kill Chaucer BEFORE he sends in his PM to investigate me...does he still get to investigate and reveal what he saw in his last gasp?

If so, then I see NO reason why this plan wouldn't work and the only problem is figuring out who to vote off to get night going. If not, then I have a problem with the plan because we are basically telling the mafia who to vote for (provided they do it quickly). See what I mean?
(bolding added)
Why are you unwilling to wait for the results? On the off chance that you are advocating this course of action because you are unfamiliar with the mechanics, I am willing to wait until after the investigation. It seems very suspicious to me that you are not.

You are making it sound like I am being totally unreasonable, when in fact I have already presented my one small issue with the plan and stated that I am willing to change my mind if that is cleared up. No one has answered my question yet.

[regeneratorizer]

Unvote
Vote: No Lynch

[CheeseLord]

Vote: No Lynch. I doubt we're going to catch a mafia at this rate, so I say we should wait for the results.

[Coolguy]

(italics added)
FOR EXAMPLE:
If the mafia send in their PM to kill Chaucer BEFORE he sends in his PM to investigate me...does he still get to investigate and reveal what he saw in his last gasp?


The order of PMs does not matter, just as long as you get your PMs in before the deadline.

Regeneratorizer - 1 (Hammered)
Hammered - 2 (Sol Hunt, Dave Hettel)
No Lynch - 3 (Cheeselord, Regeneratorizer, Mr Onion)

9 to lynch (or choose to not lynch).

[Sol Hunt]

That is all I wanted to know. Unvote.
I say we go with Hammered's plan of investigation and Vote: No Lynch in the meantime.

Plan of Investigation:
PCR (inventor) investigates Chaucer
Chaucer investigates me
anyone else with investigative power looks into someone new

[Hammered]

I am going to UNVOTE and instead VOTE: No Lynch.

Right now, the chance of my voting for a townie is 2/3 and for getting a mafia or the serial killer is 1/3, just based on pure numbers, so if I have a chance to confirm my suspicions first, I believe that is the better choice.

I would like to add to my previous course of action that if there is another investigator, they should investigate Regen and/or Dave Hettel for being so quick to join a bandwagon, with preference toward Dave, if he doesn't back off, since he is now the only vote for me.

[Coolguy]

Wow, lots of vote-switchingness. Time for yet another count. :p

Hammered - 1 (Dave Hettel)
No Lynch - 5 (Cheeselord, Regeneratorizer, Mr Onion, Sol Hunt, Hammered)

9 to lynch (or choose to not lynch).

[chaucer]

Vote: No Lynch

If we get to night, I can inspect someone and that's a good thing.

Btw, that someone will probably be Sol.

[ducklegion]

vote: No Lynch

[Coolguy]

2 more votes to cancel today's lynch.

Hammered - 1 (Dave Hettel)
No Lynch - 7 (Cheeselord, Regeneratorizer, Mr Onion, Sol Hunt, Hammered, Chaucer, Ducklegion)

[PlasmaCannonsRule]

Alright.... I consider Sol and Dave to be highly suspicious. Dave might just be a mislead townie, but I get the feeling that Sol is a mafia for that no-good-reason (in my opinion) bandwagon. So, Vote: Sol Hunt.

[Roland]

That was hardly a bandwagon. Meh.

VOTE: The Mafia. It's foolproof!

Okay, okay. Unvote.

VOTE: No lynch.

[Dave Hettel]

Yes, I do believe I am a mislead townie. If I had come on earlier, I would've unvoted then. So I'll do it now! ;)

Unvote! and Vote to lynch absolutely nobody!

[Coolguy]

10:24 PM, July 9, 2007 (Day 1)

The employees had argued late into the night- It must've been 8 pages since day started! Seeing as they weren't going to settle peacefully on a decision without some new information, they decided to execute nobody and wait for the specially skilled employees among them to inspect the most suspicious characters in the carnival. But would their plan work...?

Night 2 has begun. Send in PMs. DEADLINE: 24 HOURS FROM THIS POST (7:45 Saturday, Pacific Time)

Employees:
31337
Chaucer
Cheeselord
Dave Hettel
DrGamer
Ducklegion
Hammered
Happystickman
Justin
Mr. Onion
PlasmaCannonsRule
Regeneratorizer
Roland
Sol Hunt
WackieWatty
Wesley

Jobs:
Acro-Bat
Balloon Seller
Bearded Lady
Cotton Candy Guy
Elephant Cage Cleaner
Goldfish
Hypnotist
King Arthur!?!?
Lion Tamer
Lost Ghost
Mole
Ride Attendant
Ride Inspector
Sideshow Guy
Small World Robot
Ticket Booth Guy

Replacements:
Nobody! (Although one is wanted- We need to replace HSM, who will be on vacation for a while)

[Coolguy]

1:38 AM, July 10, 2007 (Night 2)

The ride attendant was reviewing his Ride Attending for Dummies book late at night in his tent when he heard a footstep. A big, squeaky foostep... :shock: He instantly paniced and ran away from his tent as fast as he could, but in his panic, he didn't notice the clown's trap... He slipped on a banana peel and fell into the lion tamer's lion pit, screaming as he was torn to shreds. Insane clown laughter echoed into the night as Mr Onion met his demise... Mr Onion the Ride Attendant was eaten by lions!

You're the Ride Attendant!

Carnieguy chose you to attend the rides, which the carnival employees have been using the carnival rides as execution devices. You're the only person in the park, including Carnieguy, who knows how to run them, so if you want, you can refuse to start a ride and save somebody from a lynching. You can only do this ONCE, however.

During the day, if somebody is about to be lynched or just has been lynched, send in a PM saying if you want to protect them or not as fast as possible! If you are lynched, this power is automatically used on yourself.

You win when all those evil clowns (and anything else evil in the carnival...) are dead. Have fun! :D

The four evildoers laughed maliciously, and then proceeded to walk back to their evil clown lair. They discussed evil plans and clown jokes on the way, but it wasn't until they reached their lair that they noticed that one of their members was oddly silent. The head clown finally noticed and turned around to check on him, but he was gone. They retraced their steps looking for him, but all they found was a big red nose, a rainbow wig, and an invisible rope... The clowns wondered what sort of creature could sneak up on them perfectly silently and kill one of their members... HappyStickMan, the Acro-Bat / EVIL CLOWN, has been slain by some mysterious force!

You're the acro-bat, and you're A CLOWN!!!!

You're a bat that knows acro-bat-ics, and you're also an evil clown from outer space bent on world domination!!!! Your buddies are ???, ???, and ???. You can discuss evil clown plans with them whenever you want.

If everybody else is dead, you send the kill each night. You win when there's equal clownies and townies!

Carnieguy saw the body of the Ride Attendant and became incredibly angry- Now he has to learn how to operate the rides himself! He woke everybody up to do their jobs and, after fetching Mr O's Ride Attending for Dummies book, went back into his trailer and started reading.

Day 2 has begun. Lynch away! 8 votes to lynch. (Giftbot 4000 won't be here until later today, though) HappyStickMan and Mr Onion have a last gasp each.

Employees:
31337
Chaucer
Cheeselord
Dave Hettel
DrGamer
Ducklegion
Hammered
Happystickman (Murdered by Mysterious Force, Night 2- CLOWN!)
Justin
Mr. Onion (Totally Original Banana Peel Gag'd by Clowns, Night 2- Employee)
PlasmaCannonsRule
Regeneratorizer
Roland
Sol Hunt
WackieWatty
Wesley

Jobs:
Balloon Seller
Bearded Lady
Cotton Candy Guy
Elephant Cage Cleaner
Goldfish
Hypnotist
King Arthur!?!?
Lion Tamer
Lost Ghost
Mole
Ride Inspector
Sideshow Guy
Small World Robot
Ticket Booth Guy

Replacements:
Nobody!

[ducklegion]

Yay someone killed a clown.

[drgamer]

Well, that's one clown down... Three more to go!
That was a good choice, whoever the sk is

[chaucer]

I have inspected Sol, and she is not a clown.

[CheeseLord]

Well, it's good that we got one clown, but we still need to find the rest. Chaucer claims Sol is good, so that means either Chaucer, Sol, and Hammered are all on the same side, Chaucer is naive/insane, or this is part of a plot to get one of them killed.

[regeneratorizer]

Hmm... While we may not know who the SK is, perhaps we should try to give him advice on who to kill during the night. Hopefully, he will want to serve the town, and possible kill a few clowns. We could use him to our advantage, whoever he may be.

Thanks for the balloon.... >.<

[PlasmaCannonsRule]

I think Regen is the Goldfish, because, when I gave him a balloon, CG said that I tied it onto the fence of his currently empty pool. If I get modkilled for this because this wasn't listed on the rules, then at least you'll have my asumption.

[Coolguy]

Just to clear this up...

Paraphrasing your PMs is not modkillable, however, direct quoting is.

[31337]

So for instance if I said
You are a Food Vendor which is a CLOWN role. You may choose to insert a pill of clownynide within one possum on a stick you serve thus poisoning the townie of your choice (not that the poison would do much in contrast to the fried possum). You are devious in nature and can only speak in red text or you will be out of character and will be crushed by me. (Sorry, carnival policy!)
and this were true when I would be dead right now and- GAK! *falls over*
Just kidding.

[drgamer]

Well, if it was true, then you would be breaking the rules twice... Because you didn't speak in all red!

Still, you might be trying to get us to NOT vote for you by joking that you ARE a clown

[Roland]

I assume that was a joke. But anyways, yay for the thingamabobby that killed HSM! The doctor should protect him. But then again, a serial killer can make mistakes, and can't discuss it with anyone, unless he wants to reveal his role. Which is dangerous. Of course, that's why we should get a doctor to protect him. BUT, however, that "serial killer" could just be someone with, say, a one-shot, super-happy Go-Go lazor. Of course, that is still a powerful role.

However, we gained nothing from that night, suspicions-wise.

[Hammered]

I think Regen is the Goldfish, because, when I gave him a balloon, CG said that I tied it onto the fence of his currently empty pool. If I get modkilled for this because this wasn't listed on the rules, then at least you'll have my asumption.

Does anyone else wonder why Regen might not have been in his fishbowl, since he isn't a clown? This is what he might have been up to.

Serial Killer (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Serial_Killer) - The Serial Killer (often abbreviated as SK), like the Vigilante, may kill another player each Night (by sending their name to the Moderator). However, the Serial Killer is not on the Town's side or the Mafia's side. The Serial Killer wins when everyone else is dead.

If Regen is the serial killer, he is just as big a danger to the town as he is to the mafia and he probably chose HSM because he was leaving on vacation and we didn't have a replacement for him, which was thoughtful, but he is just as likely to choose a townie tonight. I would very much like to hear from Regen to see if he has an explanation for his absence.

[regeneratorizer]

Hmm... While we may not know who the SK is, perhaps we should try to give him advice on who to kill during the night. Hopefully, he will want to serve the town, and possible kill a few clowns. We could use him to our advantage, whoever he may be.

Thanks for the balloon.... >.<


QFE for Hammered...

[regeneratorizer]

(Sorry, short posts)
Hammered might be MCed, due to short post and lack of posts.

[Hammered]

Notice the quick response, while CG is still asleep. A mind-controlled post would have had to go through CG. This means that I am not mind-controlled. I have been known to do short posts if there is not much for me to comment on.

[Dave Hettel]

EGAD! MUST VOTE CHAUCER, MUST VOTE CHAUCER, VOTE CHAUCER, GYAAAHAH, VTOE CHAUCER! bbbraaaaaaaaiiinnnnssss!!!!!!111

[regeneratorizer]

...Ok....

[WackieWatty]

I find it suspicious that neither Hammered nor Sol have been killed off by the mafia yet.

Mr.Onion seems an odd choice this early on... maybe he was on to something; or maybe that's what they want us to think:|

[chaucer]

Erm... I'm gonna go with Dave's either mafia or mind controlled.

[31337]

Evil random voter.

Nah, just kidding, but I think that Dave is evil and a random voter. :O

[ducklegion]

I also think Dave is evil..

[Coolguy]

Also, if anybody fakes a direct quote from me, that's also a modkillable offense. :p (and if it wasn't a modkillable offense, it wouldn't help you anyways, since people would know that if it was true, you'd be modkilled)

EDIT: Also, last gasps have to be posted on the next day period (since you can't post at night). If your gasp is not posted by the time the next day ends, you forfeit your gasp! (So Mr O and HSM, you have to gasp today)

[Hammered]

EGAD! MUST VOTE CHAUCER, MUST VOTE CHAUCER, VOTE CHAUCER, GYAAAHAH, VTOE CHAUCER! bbbraaaaaaaaiiinnnnssss!!!!!!111
Let us analyze the possible reasons for this post, shall we?


Dave is under mind control, but the mind controller is the worst mafia player of all time.
Dave is a townie pretending to be mind controlled, making him the worst mafia player of all time.
Dave is not mind controlled, but he is vote controlled, so he is trying to convey that he believes the vote is insane with his surrounding text.
Dave is a mafia pretending to be mind controlled to distract us from the fact that another player is actualy mind controlled.Of course, those who have another explanation may feel free to add it, but let's discuss those four possibilities.

The value of mind control is that the post appears to be genuine and this one clearly does not. It seems much more likely that the mind-controller is being cagey for nefarious purposes. This group of players has been in enough games to know how to act.
There would be no reason to do this, as it would detract from the possibility of a real mind control occuring elsewhere.
A hypnotist seems more like a mind-controller than a vote-controller to me, so I don't think this is the case.
This is a decent plan. It distracts us from the truly mind controlled player, which is most likely Chaucer. (Notice the difference between his post about his inpection of me and his inspection of Sol.) It also makes Dave look like a hapless victim, which would help him, since I already suggested he be inspected because I was suspicious of him.Notice that if I am correct about #4, Dave is mafia and Chaucer is most likely mind-controlled, meaning that Sol Hunt most likely is mafia as well.

I would love to hear additional theories, if anyone has one they would like to discuss.

[Mr.Onion]

GASP! There is a fifth possibility. Dave is being controlled by the best mafia player, who is tricking us into thinking he is mafia. Granted, not very likely, but possible.

Go Town!

[Roland]

Let us analyze the possible reasons for this post, shall we?

Dave is under mind control, but the mind controller is the worst mafia player of all time.
Dave is a townie pretending to be mind controlled, making him the worst mafia player of all time.
Dave is not mind controlled, but he is vote controlled, so he is trying to convey that he believes the vote is insane with his surrounding text.
Dave is a mafia pretending to be mind controlled to distract us from the fact that another player is actualy mind controlled.Of course, those who have another explanation may feel free to add it, but let's discuss those four possibilities.
The value of mind control is that the post appears to be genuine and this one clearly does not. It seems much more likely that the mind-controller is being cagey for nefarious purposes. This group of players has been in enough games to know how to act.
There would be no reason to do this, as it would detract from the possibility of a real mind control occuring elsewhere.
A hypnotist seems more like a mind-controller than a vote-controller to me, so I don't think this is the case.
This is a decent plan. It distracts us from the truly mind controlled player, which is most likely Chaucer. (Notice the difference between his post about his inpection of me and his inspection of Sol.) It also makes Dave look like a hapless victim, which would help him, since I already suggested he be inspected because I was suspicious of him.Notice that if I am correct about #4, Dave is mafia and Chaucer is most likely mind-controlled, meaning that Sol Hunt most likely is mafia as well.

I would love to hear additional theories, if anyone has one they would like to discuss.

I agree with this analysis of the situation. But what if the mafia didn't mind control anyone? But they would have nothing to lose by mind-controlling somebody, because the mind-controller remains anonymous. So I say we should go on the assumption that there is a mind-control, but not that there has to be one. Apart from that, I really don't know what to say. I think number 3 is the most likely, as there could still be a vote-controller.

[Coolguy]

http://hamumu.com/images/menu/giftbot.gif

CONGRATULATIONS, ROLAND! YOU ARE THE 25TH POSTER OF DAY 2, WHICH MEANS YOU WIN TODAY'S FABULOUS PRIZE- A DOUBLE VOTE! TOMMOROW, YOUR VOTE WILL COUNT DOUBLE!

HURKY HURKY HURKY! GIFTBOT, AWAY!

[chaucer]

I learned my lesson to not post roles after yesterday. Anyway, I'm not mind controlled. Or vote controlled, for that matter. But that post earlier is so unlike Dave. And he had two votes. I think that a vote control is the most likely possibility. So, I will Vote: Vote Controller.

Okay, fine, Unvote. But, since there is always that nagging possibility, I will put Dave as the one I will inspect tonight. Unless someone else we don't lynch is more suspicious.

[Sol Hunt]

I find it EXTREMELY suspicious that Hammered immediately found a way to find me guilty of mafia-ness despite Chaucer's evidence to the contrary. And she thought MY conspiracy theories were crazy. She seems to be over-enthusiastically trying to convince everyone not to trust me. She even said yesterday that she was tempted to not respond to my post until it would be impossible for me to read/respond in return. What is that all about? I am interested in hearing exactly why she is so gung-ho to get rid of me. I mean, aside from just being upset that I am calling her out.

I have some suspicions about the "something" that helped us out last night.

Regarding Dave...I just have no idea what's happening. At first I thought maybe he was vote controlled, but I'm not sure why he would be so opposed to voting for Chaucer since he said he wanted to do that yesterday. Then I thought maybe Hammered was on the right track and it was an elaborate scheme to distract from the "real" mind control...but if the mafia mind controlled Chaucer they are working in tandem with Hammered and making a great effort to get you all to lynch me.

I know that I am starting to sound guilty. This is really coming down to a I said/She said and most of you know Hammered better than me. She has played longer and everyone trusts her as a logical, skillful player. I kinda feel like Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory. Everyone thought he was crazy, and he kinda was, but it turned out that he was right. I have this sinking feeling that no one is going to believe me until I get lynched or mafia'd.

Since I don't have much to lose at this point, I'm going to go all out. I am accusing the following of being Mafia:
HappyStickMan (proven, killed)
Chaucer
Hammered
Roland

I think it is a big, huge, complex plan that goes something like this...

Chaucer ID'd Hammered as a townie mole to get us to trust her. Hammered backed up his ID to get us to trust him. They both made a big fuss about getting me inspected to protect themselves. We couldn't lynch Chaucer because he was the one who was going to inspect. We couldn't lynch Hammered because too many people rely on her skill. During the night, they lynch a known townie (Mr O) and mind control another (Dave Hettel). The next day, Chaucer IDs me as townie, but doesn't add anything because it's too risky - they don't actually know anything about me. Hammered cleverly points out this lack of info and claims that it is because he is mind controlled and DH's crazy post is meant to distract from it. In fact, it's the other way around. DH is mind controlled (note how his post makes it sound like he DOESN'T want us to lynch Chaucer) and being used to cover up for Chaucer's lack of info about me. They are going to use the MC'd Dave and the trust you all have in them to lynch me. I'm throwing Roland's name in there because I don't actually know who the last mafia is and he's the one who has most strongly sided with Chaucer/Hammered. I'm not sure how he fits into the conspiracy.

Someone was supposed to inspect Chaucer last night and we have heard nothing. If the balloon seller truly is an inventor, I can understand him not having any more inspection powers left (or that he tried and the power wasn't what he thought it was). I am curious what the ride inspector was doing though. That sounds an awful lot like someone who can peek into things.

Okay...I'm sure everyone thinks I am completely crazy now. Just make sure to check back here when I am proven to be a faithful townie. :) Unfortunately, the mafia know that I have limited internet access and are going to try to use that against me. Please think about that when people are accusing me. Like Hammered, they know that they can say anything if I can't respond.

[Sol Hunt]

I learned my lesson to not post roles after yesterday. Anyway, I'm not mind controlled. Or vote controlled, for that matter. But that post earlier is so unlike Dave. And he had two votes. I think that a vote control is the most likely possibility. So, I will Vote: Vote Controller.

Okay, fine, Unvote. But, since there is always that nagging possibility, I will put Dave as the one I will inspect tonight. Unless someone else we don't lynch is more suspicious.

Dang. I forgot about DH's double powered vote.

No. This changes nothing. I am sticking with my previous rant.

[Hammered]

OK - this one can be cleared up fairly, if Sol will give Chaucer permission to post her role. She probably won't though, because that would prove her duplicity.

[Sol Hunt]

Sure. Go for it. I would love for him to expand on his previous statement. I am baffled as to why you think I would NOT want him to do this. When I asked him to inspect me last night, I was assuming he would tell my role anyway.

[Dave Hettel]

Aaarrrhggh!!!!11 Now I Must unvote, unvote!!!11111! Who Froces Me To Do Thsi!?????//????!!1!1??/???1 Gyahahhahhhhhh!!11!1!111!1oneone!1!11!oneeleventyb illionone!1!1!!!!!11exclamationp[oint!!!!!11

[Sol Hunt]

I will check in as soon as I can tomorrow. I just wanted to repeat a couple of things...

1. I am a townie.
2. I have willingly given Chaucer permission to tell what he knows about my role.

I know that I am taking a chance that he will be mind controlled or in some other way influenced toward saying something other than the truth. However, I am willing to take that chance. I am hoping that the truth will come out and Hammered (if she's a townie, as she claims) and I can join forces rather than spending the whole game battling one another.

I guess I will find out tomorrow morning. :) Good luck, townies! Play smart.

[Coolguy]

And so the game came to a standstill until Chaucer posted...

Current votes:
None yet!

[Dave Hettel]

Uh Oh!!!!!!!!!111 Aarrrrrggggghhhhh!!!!!11111! Now Mustv Ote Hammmmereddd!!!111!1 vote Hammered!!11!11! vote hammeredd! Vote Her~!!1!!1111111oneoneoneoneoen`!!!!1!1!11TWOFOURE LEVENTYBILLION!

[Coolguy]

People with double votes don't need to post their 2 votes separately- Their normal vote just counts double.

[drgamer]

What's with Dave almost immediately editing his posts after he makes them?

[chaucer]

Sorry, I've been busy, Sol is the Lost Ghost. Or, at least, a ghost living in a basement who looks somewhat lost. Need any more proof?

EDIT: Dave, I sympathize for you. I don't think you're a mafia, just some mind controlled guy. Wait, here's a brilliant idea, something quite clever, in Coolguy's style:

The hypnotist/mind controller can controll people, but can NOT control them editing their posts. Thus, he would be an incompotent hypnotist. Or, maybe, just maybe, the hypnotist was interrupted while hypnotising him last night, and thus could not completely finish said hypnotism. Thus, I come to the conclusion that HSM must have been the hypnotist and was blown up, or whatever happened to him, before he could finish hypnotising Dave. Unlikely, but something clever, which Coolguy loves to be.

EDIT2: Sol was in the haunted house ride. In the basement of it.

[drgamer]

You sure about that? I don't think that's right... I say she's mime proof! (Ghost's can get pretty noisy...)... And I thought the ghosts would be in the haunted house attraction... not some old basement...

Edit: Clarification; Poltergeists (type of ghost, I believe they are the ones that make noises... I know they move stuff around... Well, obviously a mime would have to be silent...) Oh and the SK was silent and had an invisible rope; Mime... although it is kinda hard to see what role the mime would actually be...

[Dave Hettel]

What's with Dave almost immediately editing his posts after he makes them?
I happen to like editing my posts immediately after making them.

Chaucer, thank you for sympathizing with me. ;)

[drgamer]

so basically Dave is rewriting what the hypnotist tells him?:shock:

[Roland]

I think he's joking.

[chaucer]

Well, it's just a possibility.

[Sol Hunt]

Okay. I am going to go on the record saying that Chaucer is to be trusted. I was very concerned about what he would say...waiting for some outrageous lie that I would have to overcome...and he goes ahead and posts the exact truth.

I am the Lost Ghost. Ironic, since in the other game I was the Lost Clown. I am, indeed living in the Haunted House ride. I like it here because the lights and noises keep me safe from that sneaky mime. So, DrG is right. I AM mime proof. But not because I am a mime. Because I am in a safe-house.

So. Now that we are all cleared up on this issue, can we get to finding the real mafia? I'm sure they are enjoying the fact that was have been chasing our own tails for a day and a half now.

Will the real evil space clowns please stand up?

[chaucer]

I didn't see any mimes in the ride. Oh well.

[Sol Hunt]

So...

If my elaborate Chaucer/Hammered scheme was off-base, it's time to come up with something new. Who is still suspect?

:confused: 31337: Claimed to be the bearded lady (one of CG's little jokes?) who supposedly is a regular townie. Went straight for DH's jugular when he started posting crazy. Trying to bandwagon him or does he know something we don't?

8) Chaucer: Well established as a good cop in my mind.

:confused: Cheeselord: Not sure... He's been active in the game, but I haven't really seen anything convincing in one direction or the other.

8) Dave Hettel: I am fairly convinced that he is being mind controlled right now. This leads me to believe that he is a townie, since it doesn' t make sense for the mafia to MC one of their own.

:confused: Dr. Gamer: Not sure. Has acted quite defensive when accused of being mafia. Still sees me as questionable, which doesn't automatically mean he's mafia, but it makes me wonder. How did he know I was mime proof?

:( Ducklegion: Very suspicious to me. Has posted very little - only when people start saying he's suspicious because of his lurking. Also jumped right on the "Dave is evil" bandwagon.

8) Hammered: If we accept Chaucer as being good, we also accept Hammered. She has the ability to hide. How can we use this to help the townies?

:( HappyStickMan: Proven Mafia. Killed by a mime (the serial killer).

8) Justin: Proven townie due to multiple attempts on his life in the first night. Miraculously survived, but has done little to help us since then.

:cry: Mr. Onion: Proven townie. Mafia killed.

8) PlasmaCannonsRule: Appears to be townie. He is the balloon seller, which seems to be an inventor or doctor role. Voted for me in Day 1, hasn't said much in Day 2.

:confused: Regeneratorizor: Hmm. Has been rabidly against Hammered the whole game. Since I was too, I hesitate to hold that against him. He needs to be inspected. I strongly feel that he is a goldfish serial killer. I'm not quite sure how that works...especially since goldfish are gold and mimes are black and white.

:confused: Roland: Has not been playing as he usually does. I know some of that was his vacation, but still. He has been one of the most vocal players in previous games and he has said next to nothing in this one. That makes me suspicious.

:mrgreen: SolHunt: Tenacious player who occasionally gets excited about the wrong track. :oops:

:( WackyWatty: Has been very wishy-washy during this game, pretty much agreeing with everyone at some point. Hasn't said much. On my watch list.

:( Wesley: Almost completely silent. Either a useless townie lurker or a scared mafia lurker. Meh.

PS - Chaucer didn't see any mimes on my ride because he (they?) won't come near it. He (They) is (are) afraid of it. That is what keeps me safe from him (them?).

[drgamer]

I never said you were the mime Sol; It's just it's obvious by what the SK did, that they are a mime...

As for the reason I'm so defensive about people accusing me of being mafia... I didn't realize that I was that defensive... Meh; I guess that's what happens when you play in RL and EVERY single game you play, you are accused of being mafia...

[regeneratorizer]

Since when is the mime the SK? I thought there was only one (Me)? Could someone explain..?

Also, I think Dave is trying to pull a Regen.

[PlasmaCannonsRule]

:( Wesley: Almost completely silent. Either a useless townie lurker or a scared mafia lurker. Meh.


Um, I think he's on vacation. Anyhow, I haven't posted much because I have nothing to say.

[drgamer]

So regen, you're the one who killed the clown? *Is confused* Uh... If you did kill the clown, then that would make you the mime... because the clown killer was silent and used invisible rope (which mimes tend to do)

[Roland]

Oh, right - YAY! DOUBLE VOTE!

But, I'm getting sick of not being able to contribute due to lack of evidence against anyone. Sol's right, it is very unlike me. I want to contribute somehow... But I can't.

[regeneratorizer]

So regen, you're the one who killed the clown? *Is confused* Uh... If you did kill the clown, then that would make you the mime... because the clown killer was silent and used invisible rope (which mimes tend to do)

Heh, I didnt pay attention to my role very much.
(ParaphrasingPM)
I am a Goldfish, in those little bags that getsold as prizes, but thats just my cover story. I killed that foolda while back, and have taken his place. I am really THE MIME, a serial killer.
(/paraphrase)

[chaucer]

Vote: Regen

He is a proven SK, and we have to get rid of him to win. So we should go ahead and get it over with now.

[Coolguy]

Carnieguy stopped memorizing the Ride Attending for Dummies book for a second to remind everybody that it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Post Count:
2- Hammered (Dave Hettel x2)
1- Regeneratorizer (Chaucer)

[Wesley]

Um, I think he's on vacation. Anyhow, I haven't posted much because I have nothing to say.

Actually, I came back from my trip around a week ago. I just haven't been posting much because I don't really have anything to say. Except saying that I don't have anything to say. Except saying that I'm saying I don't have anything to say. Except saying that...

P.S. (Off topic) Roland, you can take your sig down now. I don't like seeing that mega-text everywhere.

[CheeseLord]

Seeing as he admits to being a SK, I will Vote: Regen.

[chaucer]

[Logical Burst]Wait. Don't vote Regen. Unvote. DO NOT VOTE REGEN! He is mind controlled, there were a few gramatical errors and spelling errors in his previous post, and he is a good enough player, that I realise that he wouldn't be stupid enough to admit to SKness. Regen is mind controlled. I'm not sure about the colors, but I think we'll find out later. That leads me to think that Dave is covering to make us think he's mind controlled.
Vote: Dave Hettel.[/Logical Burst]

[regeneratorizer]

Vote: Regen

He is a proven SK, and we have to get rid of him to win. So we should go ahead and get it over with now.

WHAT?!?!?! You, in no way, have to kill me to win! You only have to kill clowns, and as I have stated before, I am willing to help with that! There is no reason to lynch me, I am not evil!

P.S. The balloon guy gave me a christmas balloon... so I have to talk like this. Quite annoying, really.

[CheeseLord]

We do need to kill you. If you reread Mr. O's role description carefully, it says " You win when all those evil clowns (and anything else evil in the carnival...) are dead." I think that means you.

[regeneratorizer]

We do need to kill you. If you reread Mr. O's role description carefully, it says " You win when all those evil clowns (and anything else evil in the carnival...) are dead." I think that means you.


I am not evil, though! I am on a third side!

[Hammered]

Quoted one more time:

Serial Killer (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Serial_Killer) - The Serial Killer (often abbreviated as SK), like the Vigilante, may kill another player each Night (by sending their name to the Moderator). However, the Serial Killer is not on the Town's side or the Mafia's side. The Serial Killer wins when everyone else is dead.
This fits in with Mr.O's role PM very well, so we should probably assume that it is the correct definition. Regen is not a clown, but he was not in his room last night when PCR went to investigate him. He must have been somewhere and he does admit to being the serial killer, although he seems a bit confused about what exactly a serial killer is. He is clearly a danger to the town, but he seems willing to help us out. We could give him an assignment and then lynch him if he doesn't carry it out. Of course, the mafia will undoubtedly kill him at the first opportunity, if that is what we choose to do. Still, we could lynch another suspicious person today and ask him to kill someone else who is suspicious tonight.

Now there is the matter of Dave Hettel, who is acting like he is mind-controlled. The mind-controller appears to be very fond of 1337, so it is a good thing that this game is being played in TM, because Dave's posts might get him in trouble if they were in another forum. I think that if Dave actually is mind-controlled, we might all be able to make a fair guess at who that controller was, which means that if Dave is faking it, he must be targetting that person for some reason, by trying to make that person look like he is the mind controller.

I would like to take a moment to describe my experience as being a mind-controlled person in the last mafia game CG hosted. I am uniquely qualified to do so, as I was a favorite target of the mafia in that game, and I was targetted every other day. I tried various little tricks to get around CG's rules in that game. The first time, I posted the mind-controller's message in the eye-burning pink, because I figured everyone would know that I would never do that. Coolguy thought that was clever, but he made me change it back, and I don't think many people actually got to see that. The next time I tried misspelling a word, and once again, CG made me change it back. The point is that CG is very strict on this. If Dave posted the exact message, he wouldn't be allowed to change it and yet we see edits on all the posts. Why? There is a fair chance that Dave is faking being mind controlled, and, if he is, we have to ask ourselves why? It must be because someone else is mind-controlled, so we should ask ourselves who are the likely candidates for mind control? Chaucer, because he is the cop? PCR, because we asked him to investigate someone as well? Dave, because he had 2 votes, and the mafia was concerned about my ability to hide, so that they thought a lynch would be a better way to get rid of me? Sol, because she is influential? Me, because I am influential? Regen, because his role-claim is suicidal?

I think you can see that Sol and I have some interactions in there that are a little too rapid fire to have given time for a mind controller to fire off a post to CG and CG to fire it to someone else and that someone else to post it. There might even be other clues. If anyone really is mind-controlled, it is most likely Chaucer, PCR, Regen, or Dave. Do not believe someone saying, "Not me! I'm not mind-controlled!" The mind-controller could easily make them say that, especially if there is enough time for the multiple message passing to have taken place.

The way I see it, we still need some more discussion before we vote here, so I am still withholding my vote at this time. Be careful, my fellow townies. There is much at stake here.

[Coolguy]

While the carnival employees argue over what the fate of Regeneratorizer shall be, Carnieguy decides to count up the current votes.

Post Count:
2- Hammered (Dave Hettel x2)
1- Regeneratorizer (Cheeselord)
1- Dave Hettel (Chaucer)

[regeneratorizer]

Regen, because his role-claim is suicidal?


I think Regen is the Goldfish, because, when I gave him a balloon, CG said that I tied it onto the fence of his currently empty pool. If I get modkilled for this because this wasn't listed on the rules, then at least you'll have my asumption.

Does anyone else wonder why Regen might not have been in his fishbowl, since he isn't a clown? This is what he might have been up to.



If Regen is the serial killer, he is just as big a danger to the town as he is to the mafia and he probably chose HSM because he was leaving on vacation and we didn't have a replacement for him, which was thoughtful, but he is just as likely to choose a townie tonight. I would very much like to hear from Regen to see if he has an explanation for his absence.

Note that if I had not claimed, I would have likely been lynched. Far from suicidal. I have also already stated that I am willing to help the town!

Now, on to being MCed...
Notice the quick response, while CG is still asleep. A mind-controlled post would have had to go through CG. This means that I am not mind-controlled. I have been known to do short posts if there is not much for me to comment on.

I posted 3 minutes before you posted that, while CG was still asleep.

[Coolguy]

I posted 3 minutes before you posted that, while CG was still asleep.

I'm not asleep right now. :p

[chaucer]

Regen isn't the SK, I've already said that. He is the most likely candidate for mind control, in my opinion. He doesn't usually make all those gramatical errors. Hammered isn't mind controlled. What mind controller would take the time to write all that? Sol probably isn't for the same reason. Then again, Dave could be mind controlled, as he has two votes, and the mafia wouldn't want those going towards them. I have one more thing to say: I am not mind controlledzors!1

[Hammered]

Regen is right about the three minute response time. I am forced to conclude that he in not mind-controlled. Therefore, he must be the serial killer, as he claims, or he is just being his usual chaotic self. I propose a test. A townie should suggest a kill for him and we can see whether or not it happens. I further suggest that we have Sol be that townie who makes the suggestion as she has a logical mind and it is not just me concocting the entire plan.

[chaucer]

I'll agree with thatzors.

[regeneratorizer]

I'll agree with thatzors.

Good.

[drgamer]

And the doctor shouldn't protect the proposed SK kill... We wouldn't want confusion as to whether or not Regen followed orders...

[31337]

The mind-controller appears to be very fond of 1337.
ONOS! I am the victim of a frame-up.... or maybe he is the victim of someone who sekritly likes 1337! I can assure you I am not a mind-controller/vote-controller though.

[drgamer]

31337 =/= 1337-speak

Unless...

[31337]

Unless? :confused:

[regeneratorizer]

I would like to suggest that a doctor protect me, as, if I pass my ''test'' I could be a very valuable asset to the town. I am a huge threat to the mafia now that they know I intend to help the townies.

[Dave Hettel]

Uhophhshs~1!!1!!1!1!!!1 Now I Must, For Th3 G00d Of The Nation, unvtoe[/]b!!!111!aaghhhh~!!1!1!1!1!

[B]UNVTOE I MEABN

[31337]

Uhophhshs~1!!1!!1!1!!!1 Now I Must, For Th3 G00d Of The Nation, unvtoe[/]b!!!111!aaghhhh~!!1!1!1!1!

[B]UNVTOE I MEABN
He unvoted! Rejoice!
Let's all celebrate with the random color of the day! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink)

[drgamer]

I think you mean this color. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red)
:p

[Roland]

Regen isn't the SK, I've already said that. He is the most likely candidate for mind control, in my opinion. He doesn't usually make all those gramatical errors. Hammered isn't mind controlled. What mind controller would take the time to write all that? Sol probably isn't for the same reason. Then again, Dave could be mind controlled, as he has two votes, and the mafia wouldn't want those going towards them. I have one more thing to say: I am not mind controlledzors!1

I would debate that.

[CheeseLord]

If we're going to try to use Regen to help us, then I will Unvote.

[PlasmaCannonsRule]

He unvoted! Rejoice!
Let's all celebrate with the random color of the day! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink)

Eye-burning pink!!!! ONOS! Anyhow, just so Hammered doesn't get taken out (and because I recall a mind-control faker in one of the games, and even a conversion faker, namely, Chaucer), I'll Vote: Dave Hettel.

[Dave Hettel]

Egad, why vote me? What have I done?

Actually, why is there so much suspicion surrounding me? I don't recall doing anything at all unusual this morning...

[31337]

Sorry, Dave, but you having double posts and being used by the mafia is a big threat to us all.
Vote: Dave Hettel

[regeneratorizer]

...I still say he was just being crazy.

And trust me, I know crazy.

[WackieWatty]

Argh! Always so much to read.

I'm sorry if I'm a bit behind the times, but it takes me a while to catch up with what's going on.
No need to kill off Regen (yet). I mean, killing somebody we know isn't a clown isn't as good as killing someone we think is a clown. Worse that could happen either way - we lose someone who isn't a clown. Best if we kill Regen - we lose someone who isn't a clown. Best if we kill someone we think is a clown - we get a clown!:p

I haven't got a clue what's up with Dave. Either he's faking mind-control for some reason or another, or his mind-controller is really rubbish.:roll: I doesn't seem right to vote for him, yet we really have nobody else worth voting.....

[31337]

Would you rather invaluable players be killed by the senseless voting? If someone votes for someone but realizes it is a mistake and is about to take it back Dave could vote twice on them and lynch them. It's either him or some other innocent people... but.... Unvote: Dave because if we kill him, they could just go for the next person with double votes. I say: Vote: Giftbot without him, we wouldn't be targets for mind controllers anymore! If you get double votes, PM someone you trust with a color patter the real you would post in (eg. Red, orange, blue, yellow, green etc.) so only the people you trust as a townie know what color pattern you post in and they can announce mind control if they see irregularities. That way we have some help as to judging whether this has been a fraud or a truthful post in the case of a legitimate post.

[Coolguy]

Unless you're Mafia, PMing people in the game is completely utterly illegal and will get you modkilled.

EDIT: Also, I already planned on making double voters immune to all forms of mind control/vote control/freezing, so people don't start purposely losing Giftbot games.

[drgamer]

Hmmm... Coolguy might be trying to trick us by letting us ASSUME that the mind control is on the mafia side... after all, there are quite a few interesting things that he's been doing...

[Sol Hunt]

So much going on. I don't have much new to add today. I think that Hammered's idea of testing Regen is a good idea. It doesn't guarantee that he will continue to be helpful, but it's worth giving it a shot. I suggest that Regen do his mime thing on either 31337, Ducklegion, WackyWatty, or Wesley. Those are the four that I find most suspicious at this time. If I had to pick just one, I guess I would go for Wesley since he's been the least involved. That's just my personal pet peeve, though. You guys should decide which you think is most suspicious.

I also agree that Dave's randomness is a danger to us. Either he is mind controlled or he is intentionally messing with the game. Either way, he's detrimental to the townie group, especially with his double vote. I suggest that we all VOTE: DAVE H for this reason. Sorry, Dave. It's not personal. It's business. ;)

[drgamer]

Yeah... It's kinda obvious that he's not mind controlled; if anything it's vote controlled... but I doubt that...
Meh... I just don't buy the trick Dave is selling... and I'm kinda not sure on whether or not to vote for him...

Ah why not...

Vote: Dave

[31337]

:(
Irrefutable speculation strikes again!
Vote: Dave Hettel

[regeneratorizer]

VOTE: David J. Hettel

[Dave Hettel]

What the? What are you voting me for? Are you voting one townie so you can protect some other people who are possibly also townies? That's easily the worst idea I've ever heard.

I haven't even done anything today. Why do I deserve to be lynched for that?

[31337]

Because Sol said so and she is the wife of the most influential game developer of all time and could use her awesome powers of fame to make me look like a total moron if I don't obey the bandwagon.

[CheeseLord]

I get the strange feeling that it's vote control, but I know better than to go on feelings alone. Dave's just too dangerous right now to take that chance. Vote: Dave Hettel.

[PlasmaCannonsRule]

What the? What are you voting me for? Are you voting one townie so you can protect some other people who are possibly also townies? That's easily the worst idea I've ever heard.

I haven't even done anything today. Why do I deserve to be lynched for that?

Then why is there;

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I happen to like editing my posts immediately after making them.

Chaucer, thank you for sympathizing with me. ;)

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[B]UNVTOE I MEABN

Egad, why vote me? What have I done?

Actually, why is there so much suspicion surrounding me? I don't recall doing anything at all unusual this morning...

All this?

[Hammered]

Seeing as how I am the one that pointed out that he was probably faking the mind control thing first, I suppose I might as well VOTE: Dave Hettel.

[Coolguy]

7:48 PM, July 10, 2007 (Day 2)

Suddenly, Dave remembered something about last night- Somebody had hypnotized him, and he'd been in a hypnotic trance all day! He went off to tell the others, but it was too late! They'd already foolishly voted for his death. Dave decided that his only hope was to escape. The doomed innocent ran as fast as he could to the carnival entrance, but he tripped and ended up getting tangled up in his own rolls of tickets. The employees dragged him to today's execution device- the Completely ''Safe'' Roller Coaster of Not-Violating-Safety-Regulations-ness! The ride inspector took one look at it and started to write down a very large amount of violations (a major complaint being that the coaster wasn't even half-finished), but Carnieguy knocked him out with his Ride Attending for Dummies book. The carnival employees tossed the tangled-up Dave Hettel into a roller coaster car, but they didn't buckle his seat belt... Then again, the ride didn't have seat belts on it, so it didn't change much. Carnieguy went to the control panel for the ride, and muttered ''I think this is the start button...'' while pressing a big red button. Suddenly, the coaster car Dave Hettel was trapped in exploded in a flaming inferno of unsurvivableness. Carnieguy peered into the smoking crater where his roller coaster once stood and grumbled ''Bah, I knew I should've pressed the green 'go' button. Oh, well, time for Night 3!'' Dave Hettel asploded- He was the Ticket Booth Guy, and a goodguy!

You are the TICKET BOOTH GUY!

You sell tickets to people. Tickets to get in the park, to go on rides, tickets to play sideshows, and even tickets to leave!

You aren't a clown, so your goal is to get rid of all the evildoers. Unfortunately, you don't have any special powers to aid you on that quest, but have fun anyways! :D

Night 3 has begun. Send your PMs by midnight tommorow (24 hours after this post). Dave gets a last gasp to be used when morning comes (he's free from his trance, too).

Employees:
31337
Chaucer
Cheeselord
Dave Hettel (Asploded, Day 2- Ticket Booth Guy/Employee)
DrGamer
Ducklegion
Hammered
Happystickman (Murdered by Mysterious Force, Night 2- Acro-bat/CLOWN!)
Justin
Mr. Onion (Totally Original Banana Peel Gag'd by Clowns, Night 2- Ride Attendant/Employee)
PlasmaCannonsRule
Regeneratorizer
Roland
Sol Hunt
WackieWatty
Wesley

Jobs:
Balloon Seller
Bearded Lady
Cotton Candy Guy
Elephant Cage Cleaner
Goldfish
Hypnotist
King Arthur!?!?
Lion Tamer
Lost Ghost
Mole
Ride Inspector
Sideshow Guy
Small World Robot

Replacements:
Nobody!

[Coolguy]

2:09 AM, July 11, 2007 (Night 3)

A man wielding a shovel was walking back to the elephant cages from in the middle of the night. Little did he suspect that he'd never make it home... The elephant cage cleaner walked under a tree, but it was a trap- Some evildoers dropped a piano, a safe, an anvil, a boulder, an airplane, a cruisliner, and the continent of South America on top of the poor janitor. Chaucer was flattened- He was the Elephant Cage Cleaner! He gets a last gasp.

You are the ELEPHANT CAGE CLEANER!

This is what you get for not finishing the 2nd grade- They told you you'd end up scooping up after the elephants, but you didn't believe them, did you? Shame!

Every single janitorial role in the history of Hamumu Mafia games has inspecting abilities, and you're no exception! Each night, PM me somebody's name and you get to break into their tent/trailer/whatever they live in and find out some information about them.

Since you're not a clown, you win when all the badguys are gone!

Meanwhile, another person was being hunted... Wesley was sleeping in his cotton candy booth, when he heard a rumble. He looked at the vat of cotton candy liquid and saw it ripple as he heard a second rumble. He quickly hopped into the cotton candy-mobile and drove out of the booth's sekrit entrance just as an imaginary bulldozer piloted by a person wearing black and white flattened it. The cotton candy guy looked into his rear-view mirror and (somehow) saw the bulldozer behind him (in addition to the words ''OBJECTS IN MIRROR MAY BE CLOSER THAN THEY APPEAR''), so he drove as fast as he could, and narrowly escaped by jumping over the edge of the Huge Gorge of Death and Doom. Unfortunately for him, he didn't make it to the other side... He fell 700 miles and died. Or, he would've died, if he hadn't used his last ounce of energy to eat some of his lifeberries-flavored cotton candy to save himself.... Wesley was almost killed by some mysterious force!

''Curse those clowns!'' Carnieguy complained next day- Now the Cage Cleaner's Union was going to make him pay a fine, not to mention now he had to give the Cotton Candy Guy a higher pay to keep him from quitting.

It is now DAY 3! 7 to lynch! Roland has double votes, and Chaucer has a last gasp! Go lynch evil people!

Employees:
31337
Chaucer (Flattened, Night 3- Elephant Cage Cleaner/Employee)
Cheeselord
Dave Hettel (Asploded, Day 2- Ticket Booth Guy/Employee)
DrGamer
Ducklegion
Hammered
Happystickman (Murdered by Mysterious Force, Night 2- Acro-bat/CLOWN!)
Justin
Mr. Onion (Totally Original Banana Peel Gag'd by Clowns, Night 2- Ride Attendant/Employee)
PlasmaCannonsRule
Regeneratorizer
Roland
Sol Hunt
WackieWatty
Wesley

Jobs:
Balloon Seller
Bearded Lady
Cotton Candy Guy
Goldfish
Hypnotist
King Arthur!?!?
Lion Tamer
Lost Ghost
Mole
Ride Inspector
Sideshow Guy
Small World Robot

Replacements:
Nobody!

[drgamer]

Well, the doctor seems to have protected who regen picked... Wow... Well, regen tried to get one of the people Sol Hunt chose...

[regeneratorizer]

At least I wasnt killed by Mafia..

Oh, and yay! I dont have to talk christmassy anymore.

*DID* a doctor protect wesley? I didnt see anything about a doctor involved, and since he was the cotton candy man, and he ate some lifegiving cotton candy....

[PlasmaCannonsRule]

Come to think of it, now it's confirmed that Hammered and Sol are town.
EDIT: Oh yeah, just to get rid of a proven threat, Vote: Regeneratizer. Sorry, but you're just to dangerous.

[Coolguy]

http://hamumu.com/images/menu/giftbot.gif

GREETINGS, PUNY EMPLOYEES! TODAY'S GIFT IS SPECIAL, AND IT ALSO HAS A SPECIAL GAME- INSTEAD OF A GAME OF LUCK, TODAY'S GAME WILL BE A GAME OF SKILL! THE GIFT HAS BEEN HIDDEN SOMEWHERE IN THE PARK. WHOEVER PMS ME THE LOCATION OF THIS GIFT FIRST WINS THE PRIZE! ALSO, TODAY'S WINNER WILL NOT BE ANNOUNCED, FOR SEKRIT REASONS.

BUT HOW DO YOU FIND THIS GIFT? SIMPLE! THE LOCATION IS WRITTEN OUT RIGHT IN THIS POST! UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S IN CODE. HAVE FUN DECODING! BUT BEWARE, THERE IS A COUPLE TWISTS!

OTS LPJLQXMN GAXJQS XD TXIISM FMISJA HFPGSA BLJA MFPHSA MXJMSOSSM. TFAWE TFAWE TFAWJE! BKRN, HSR ADGJHMC SGD SGHQC VJGDDK.

ALSO, THERE ARE SOME NEW RULES- YOU CANNOT WIN A PRIZE TWICE IN A ROW, AND MIND/VOTE CONTROLLERS CANNOT TARGET A GIFTBOT WINNER ON THE NIGHT AFTER THEIR WIN!

[Coolguy]

http://hamumu.com/images/menu/giftbot.gif

SOMEBODY HAS ALREADY WON! THEY CAN ANNOUNCE THEIR VICTORY IF THEY WANT.

GIFTBOT HAS DECIDED TO BE MERCIFUL ON THOSE THAT WEREN'T ALREADY HERE TO SOLVE IT- THEY ARE FREE TO SOLVE THE CODE AND WIN A SPECIAL MEDICAL KIT, BUT IT'S HARDER NOW!

[regeneratorizer]

Come to think of it, now it's confirmed that Hammered and Sol are town.
EDIT: Oh yeah, just to get rid of a proven threat, Vote: Regeneratizer. Sorry, but you're just to dangerous.

A proven threat? I have already stated on numerous occasions that I will help the townies! Grr...

(Might be mafia, trying to get rid of me...)

[CheeseLord]

Cotton candy saved Wesley from a 700 mile fall? I should try that. It doesn't sound like there's a doctor involved, so I think that means he's bulletproof. And unless Chaucer was naive/insane, his death proves Sol and Hammered innocent.

[PlasmaCannonsRule]

A proven threat? I have already stated on numerous occasions that I will help the townies! Grr...

(Might be mafia, trying to get rid of me...)

Then why did you attempt to kill Wes?

[Hammered]

Just to clear that up, I asked Sol to help Regen to decide who to get rid of for us, and she made up a short list of four, which included Wes. Regen chose one of them and it may not have turned out that well, but he was trying to follow the directions that he had been given, so we shouldn't blame him for that.