Mafia Game #20: Brilliant Idea Mafia

[Roland]

Why would I take all that time just for a double bluff? And plus, I wouldn't even know for sure if I would even use it as a defense.

Also, here's something interesting: Clicky! (http://i9.tinypic.com/53rtic7.jpg)

[drgamer]

Maybe because you wanted to use that excuse?

[31337]

I am 100% sure that Roland is an anomaly. >_>

[Julian]

I am %232 sure that Coolguy and Atkins are anomolies. Vote for them and you'll see. Anyway, Goodbye.

[Mossysox]

I am %232 sure that Coolguy and Atkins are anomolies. Vote for them and you'll see. Anyway, Goodbye.

Yes, very convincing - particularly seeing as Coolguy's no longer with us. Ah, a light dawns:-
I'm guessing more like Coolguy, roland and atkins on a team, they've been voting together very strongly.

Is that why Justin was hit, to make Coolguy look suspicious? :shock:

And 31337? I'd love to hear your reasoning for this:-
I am 100% sure that Roland is an anomaly. >_>
I was nothing like as confident as that, and I'm even less sure now. Roland has completely lost me with this:-
Also, here's something interesting: Clicky! (http://i9.tinypic.com/53rtic7.jpg)
but I don't think it's evidence against him.
In fact, 31337's post looks a lot like a bandwagon to me. And is it just me, or has 31337 been doing that a lot lately? Just turning up to vote for somebody, then disappearing again?

[AtkinsSJ]

Firstly, I've been voting with Coolguy mainly because he's good at this game, as much as I hate to admit it. :p

Julian, you're an anomaly. Everyone except the other anomalies knows that, so why would we trust you?

I think whoever went for Justin probably set it up. It dumps Roland and I right in the blame.

And yeah, I'd love to hear what 31337 has to say.

Hmmm. Well, I'm going to VOTE: Chaucer again. Already stated reasons, pages back.

[Jamul]

That makes 2 votes for Chaucer. It takes 5 votes to eject.

[Mossysox]

...but only because I forgot to vote in my last post. Vote: Chaucer. I agree with Roland on this one.

[chaucer]

Good luck finding anomolies, looks like I'm about to get the boot. I don't really have anything to say in my defense... just that I'm a normal.

[drgamer]

*snip*
Is that why Justin was hit, to make Coolguy look suspicious? :shock:
*snip*
Well, we might have a smart Coolguy, knowing that we would trust his judgment, if he was 'killed' and came back... (especially if there is more than one anomaly team, they could have been the ones that killed him...)


Vote: Chaucer

Edit: Forgot to post my reason >.< Going for 'the simplest answer is the right one' for now...

[31337]

My post was just joking about how people are like "HE IS MAFIA!!!1!!1" then 10 posts later they lynch a townie. The ">_>" is usually used in either a sarcastic statement or a response to trolling.

Anyways, I guess chaucer is next.

Vote: Chaucer

[Roland]

*Wipes sweat off forehead* :p

[drgamer]

And that's a lynch!
Edit: Ninja'd by a suspicious looking Roland...

[Roland]

I was just kidding. As noted by the :p.

And why is everyone so confused about why I posted the definition for an Anomaly? I just thought it would be interesting to see what the Oxford Dictionary thought of it.

[drgamer]

Well still, it's kinda suspicious ;)

[Jamul]

That's it!

Chaucer is to be escorted from the chamber. All Normals are being notified right now of his status.

IT IS NIGHT 7!

Anomalies, give me your plans.

Current subjects:
31337
AtkinsSJ
Cheeselord (replaced Blackmyth via a temporal rift)
Drgamer
Diginova (irradiated overmuch, night 4, returned day 6)
Mossysox
Roland
Wesley

Ejected subjects:
PlasmaCannonsRule (voted out, day 2)
Regeneratorizer (irradiated excessively, night 2)
Dave Hettel (wandered off, day 3)
Hammered (irradiated, night 3)
Mr. Onion (ejected, day 4)
WackieWatty (irradiated night 1, returned night 4, ejected heartlessly day 5)
Coolguy (irradiated night 5)
Julianmh102 (ejected, day 6)
Justin (irradiated, night 6)
Chaucer (ejected, day 7)

[Jamul]

Edit: forgot to add that once again, like yesterday, the air feels less oppressive and heavy now.

[Justin]

Go for Atkins and Roland, obviously!

[Jamul]

IT IS DAY 8!

AtkinsSJ is the most irradiated person today. He shall be sent to decontamination, and may give a final statement, and the other usual things.

Warning, subjects! It is possible for someone to win the experiment today, depending on who is ejected. This may be the end!! Vote cautiously, and exploit everything you know or think you know about the Brilliant Idea...

4 votes to eject. Oh, and send in those guesses... now may be your last chance to return!

Current subjects:
31337
Cheeselord (replaced Blackmyth via a temporal rift)
Drgamer
Diginova (irradiated overmuch, night 4, returned day 6)
Mossysox
Roland
Wesley

Ejected subjects:
PlasmaCannonsRule (voted out, day 2)
Regeneratorizer (irradiated excessively, night 2)
Dave Hettel (wandered off, day 3)
Hammered (irradiated, night 3)
Mr. Onion (ejected, day 4)
WackieWatty (irradiated night 1, returned night 4, ejected heartlessly day 5)
Coolguy (irradiated night 5)
Julianmh102 (ejected, day 6)
Justin (irradiated, night 6)
Chaucer (ejected, day 7)
AtkinsSJ (irradiated, night 7)

[31337]

Whoa, we are close to beating the anomalies! :)

EDIT: Wait, a sec, so this experiment is to see who is strongest!?

[AtkinsSJ]

Get Wesley! He's lurking, which is classic anomalous behaviour! Plus, lurkers hold-up removals and things. Just go for Wesley.

[31337]

Um, okay? Atkins is smart. I don't think he is an anomaly so I'll just have to vote. Vote: Wesley

[drgamer]

I'll hold off my vote for now... need to be very careful...

[Wesley]

Get Wesley! He's lurking, which is classic anomalous behaviour! Plus, lurkers hold-up removals and things. Just go for Wesley.

Okay, that was VERY suspicious. You just started a bandwagon for almost no reason right after day began. Just because I'm not saying much does not mean I'm an anomaly. And after everything you said earlier, why did you throw it all away so suddenly to get people to vote for me? ...Though now that you're not longer here, I guess I can't get an answer...

[drgamer]

Okay, that was VERY suspicious. You just started a bandwagon for almost no reason right after day began. Just because I'm not saying much does not mean I'm an anomaly. And after everything you said earlier, why did you throw it all away so suddenly to get people to vote for me? ...Though now that you're not longer here, I guess I can't get an answer...
Yes, very suspicious, considering that he died and all.

Oh and 31337, Jamul said SOMEONE was close to winning, we don't know who exactly... Someone could be anyone (And no, I don't specifically mean 'someone' from the chat)

Edit: Gah! I was ninja'd on my quoting Wes... That wasn't the message I saw when I started writing this message...

[Mossysox]

What, no expression of shock or dismay, 31337? Straight in there with a vote, when our Laboratory Director has warned us to be cautious? Isn't that a little irresponsible?
Or were you simply relieved to have Atkins offer up an alternative suspect?

See, I find the loss of Atkins rather startling, in the circumstances. It's either an extraordinarily bold double (plus) bluff, or an outrageously ridiculous attempt to frame either you or Roland. And the fact that you don't seem to think it's necessary to pause and wonder about that, but just say
Um, okay? Atkins is smart. I don't think he is an anomaly so I'll just have to vote. Vote: Wesley
makes me extremely suspicious of you.
Yes, Wesley's been lurking again, but he's not alone in that. Up until yesterday, when Atkins and I both commented on this, you'd only been turning up to vote. And looking back over the thread, something has just struck me.
This is from Hammered's last gasp.

I'm suspicious of these active people:

AtkinsSJ
Coolguy
Diginova
MrOnion

I'll try to hurry back to help you, my fellow normals! Wish me luck as I wish the same to you!

Now, I don't believe for a moment that Hammered was a Normal. And every single person on her personal list of suspects has left us, with only Mr Onion being voted off. Diginova has returned, but probably ought to be worried about his prospects, given Atkins' demise.
I would say somebody has been following Hammered's instructions. And here's 31337, back before she left us, saying:
Unvote: MrOnion
Vote: AtkinsSJ
Hammered is IMO the best player/host of this game and therefore I shall agree with her. (Unless her statements have anything to do with anti-spam in which case I worship rhubarb)
Too obvious? Or another double bluff?
I'm not going to vote immediately. We need to be careful here.

[Ninja'd also - this took a while to write...]

[drgamer]

We need slightly more discussion... We have two suspicious looking people... Let's win this one, but do it carefully.

[31337]

The lab director says someone can win today. After the vote, there will be six left, so a team of three would be needed to win, according to the rules.
Those three people could could win by waiting for someone to make a mistake and then all piling on the bandwagon.
If my vote was for anyone who was not on that team, the three would have voted with me.The team of three will not vote for one of the other four first, because it weakens their advantage.
Look there are three people who posted after me: drgamer, Wesley, and Mossysox, and drgamer again who all refused to vote with me and who also didn't vote for anyone else, but they did try to persuade you non-members of their group to vote for me.
We have to get rid of one of this group of three now or they will win, which means the rest of us will lose, so follow my lead and vote for Wesley, and if any of you out there also have the ability to kill, go after drgamer tonight.

[drgamer]

What, so me not wanting to start a bandwagon makes me suspicious?

I wasn't saying who is or isn't an anomaly, I was saying BE CAREFUL!
This game seems to be close to the end... which means we shouldn't blow it so close to the end

[Roland]

Well, I'm not going to do anything substantial at this stage except non-sensical ramblings, because I want to hear your thoughts on them.

I find Drgamer a bit suspicious. So let's have a look at what he's done...

Well, we can't rule out the theory that there aren't multiple abnorm. groups JUST yet..., after all this game has quite a few twists...

Okay, I find this suspicious. If he were an anomaly, he probably would have gotten clues as to how there could be another group. In Mafia Game #16, I was in a mafia group of two. Which is very small. So perhaps he had a small group and realised that there's probably another one. Of course, he didn't sound totally sure, but you wouldn't be. The town could have lots of handicaps or something. [CONSPIRACY MODE OFF/]

...Actually, there isn't much evidence against him. I guess he was going after me a little, but meh.

[diginova]

Wes even admitted he was hiding instead of lurking, but it's been only three hours since he's been on; not long enough for the insta-bandwagoners (the anomalies) to get three votes... I'm suspicious of Wes, but I'll give them a couple more hours before starting the vote; if the anomalies start bandwagoning, it's up to 31337 to change his vote as soon as possible, and, if not, everyone that is not with them needs to vote for us to succeed.

[drgamer]

Uh... that was early on in the game, where we weren't entirely sure of everything, and I WAS repeating the theory that there was more than one group...
diginova pretty much got part of what I meant... we still need to be careful, as since said plan could be foiled because of it being said...

[Wesley]

I always lurk, whether I'm a townie/normal or a mafia/anomaly. Unless I have something to say, I don't say anything. I suppose I'll have to post my suspicions again... (And yes, because I was lazy, I just copied the player list)


31337 - I think he agreed to go after me way too quickly. He didn't even think about it, he just posted right after. He's also accusing Drgamer for being a anomaly for almost no reason. I just don't understand why he's being so...accusing all of a sudden. I think he's trying to hurry up the day, so night will come. If he had waited a bit to think about it, I wouldn't find him as suspicious, but...

Anomaly?

Cheeselord (replaced Blackmyth via a temporal rift) Since he came back, he's been confused. Since he's still going over everything, it's hard to tell what he could be.

Unknown

Drgamer - Is also being accused. I can't really think of anything that made me suspicious of him.


Normal?

Diginova (irradiated overmuch, night 4, returned day 6) - He hasn't said much one way or the other. While I am sad he's coming after me because of one post, with no evidence, I'm happy he didn't vote me right away. Still, it sort-of sounds like he and 31337 are working together...

Possible Anomaly

Mossysox - Hasn't said anything that sounds odd.


Normal?

Roland - There are only so many ways to say "Not Suspicious".

Normal?


I doubt this did much, but it's really all I can think of now. I didn't take the role limit into account when I made this post, I was just saying who I find suspicious. I'm strongly tempted to vote for 31337 or Diginova, but for now I'd like to hear what other people think.

[Roland]

31337 isn't really all that suspicious, except for that Wesley bandwagoning post, of course.

Bah, I can't find any evidence against anyone. No matter how hard I look, there's not much suspicious material. Ironically, I've got a feeling that this day will last longer than day 1, which is usually the longest.

And by the way, this is the highest number of days in a mafia game ever! Yay!

EDIT: Now that I think about it... 31337 could be an anomaly. Last game he did a very good job of hiding is mafia-ness, and until that Wesley vote, I could say the same for this game. No way is this a cohesive argument, and I'm not anywhere near voting, just sayin'.

I'd like to hear what Cheeselod makes of all of this.

[drgamer]

31337 might be panicing because he's one of the last on his team... it's just jumping onto a bandwagon (or rather starting the first bandwagon) on a day where one team (who isn't identified! could win... by trusting what only one person says...

So, the question is, who is/are the abnormals?

[Roland]

Bah, I've got a feeling Cheeselord/Blackmyth is an anomaly. Again, this is based off circumstantial nothingness (the exact two words Jamul said about his argument towards Regen being mafia in Hotel Mystery Mafia, #12), but the fact that Cheeselord didn't vote Chaucer, after we got Julian, is slightly suspect. He said it was because he was confused, but it doesn't take that long to read the topic, dare I say it. And remember those nights that went on forever and ever? And you know how Blackmyth was almost lurking the entire game? Well, let's put 2 and 2 together suggest that Blackmyth could be the lurking godfather. Which may be why he got replaced. Whether he elected to be replaced, or Jamul was just sick of waiting, is a different story.

What do you think? Do you think I'm crazy paranoid, or do you agree? I recomend not voting until we've discussed, or someone's pointed out a massive flaw in my reasoning. :p

[drgamer]

I'm not entirely sure, but didn't the night end before Cheeselord was replaced, and blackmyth was still lurking?

[31337]

Good night. See ya all tomorrow. :)

[Mossysox]

OK, I was going to do a really long post, going through the evidence against each of you, because frankly, you all look pretty suspicious to me. But two of you are a lot more whiffy than the others, so rather than post my essay going through all of the reasons I'm not going to vote for four of you yet, even though there are doubts stacked up against each of you, I'm just going to go for the core issue here.
Roland, you're wrong: there's a mountain of evidence pointing towards a guilty trio, and two of them are very clearly 31337 and Diginova.

Earlier today, 31337 made one of the most astonishing moves I've seen. Accused of starting a bandwagon against Wesley, he claims he only voted to flush out the Anomalies - and if that was why he did it, that would be the most reckless piece of play at this stage of the game.

What's to say a Normal wouldn't be convinced and join in, thereby giving that trio he mentions all the votes they would need? Or (assuming for a moment that that's not actually 31337's trio) that the three in question wouldn't be able to vote together quickly, before 31337 had the chance to Unvote? If they are a trio of Anomalies, of course - which 31337 clearly assumes is the case, when there's nothing to suggest that they must be. And when he does cover the possibility that they're Normals, he assumes they'd be bound to vote with him - when he's just started a bandwagon, with no evidence.
And what three 'anomalies' does he think he's found? Why, the three people who posted after him, of course - not one of whom actually voted!

And what does Diginova say about this?

Wes even admitted he was hiding instead of lurking, but it's been only three hours since he's been on; not long enough for the insta-bandwagoners (the anomalies) to get three votes... I'm suspicious of Wes, but I'll give them a couple more hours before starting the vote; if the anomalies start bandwagoning, it's up to 31337 to change his vote as soon as possible, and, if not, everyone that is not with them needs to vote for us to succeed.

He didn't notice the danger? I don't believe it. No, I think he didn't point it out because he and 31337 are on the same side.

Look, Diginova cannot be a Normal. Roland told us why right back at the start of the experiment:
But couldn't Normals who have figured out the solution, once they've re-entered the chamber, just chat about it with everyone? Making every townie that dies have the power to come back to life?

And he's right. Rule 6 says:
6 - Once an Anomaly returns by making a correct guess, no one with which he or she has a psycho-mentative bond may make guesses again. Any number of Normals may return to the experiment if ejected, since of course we all know that they can only communicate openly in the experimental chamber and would never risk illegal secret communication that would get them mod-ejected.

But they can still read the thread! So why didn't Diginova tell us all about the Brilliant Idea, the minute he stepped back into the chamber?

Normals all have two lives; every Normal we've lost so far could have used that information to come back to the chamber yesterday or today had he posted it.

Which as good as tells us, doesn't it? Diginova's an Anomaly. And having said more than enough to get myself bumped off tonight, I'd like to see at least one of my prospective assailants removed today. So, Vote: Diginova.

[drgamer]

Well, Jamul probably told him not to post the brilliant idea...

I'll not vote quite just yet... We can wait for them to defend themselves (if they can find a way to explain their behavior)

[Jamul]

After exhaustive deliberations, we have two votes placed!

Wesley x1
Diginova x1

Whose cuisine shall reign supreme?!

[31337]

Can't you see the logic in my actions?



The three people must exist and it must consist of anomalies. Mafia games always end when the mafia comprises half of the players. This game is no exception. This is for all mafia games.
Mossysox, your math is screwed up. There are only 7 players left alive, so only 4 votes are needed to remove someone from the chamber.
My post has been there all day, and those three people didn't suddenly bandwagon. The only possible reason for that is that Wesley is a member of the trio. Even if I was mistaken about the other two members, there can be no doubt at all about Wesley.
We know for sure that everyone has read my post (except maybe Cheeselord, who hasn't posted).
Again, there is only one possible explanation for the anomalies to not have jumped at the chance to get rid of Wesley, and that is that Wesley is a member of the trio. No matter who the rest of you think the other two may be, anyone who is not a member of the anomalies (you would know if you were), must vote for Wesley or else you will lose.

[drgamer]

(Quoting in case it's changed)
Can't you see the logic in my actions?


The three people must exist and it must consist of anomalies. Mafia games always end when the mafia comprises half of the players. This game is no exception. This is for all mafia games.
Mossysox, your math is screwed up. There are only 7 players left alive, so only 4 votes are needed to remove someone from the chamber.
My post has been there all day, and those three people didn't suddenly bandwagon. The only possible reason for that is that Wesley is a member of the trio. Even if I was mistaken about the other two members, there can be no doubt at all about Wesley.
We know for sure that everyone has read my post (except maybe Cheeselord, who hasn't posted).
Again, there is only one possible explanation for the anomalies to not have jumped at the chance to get rid of Wesley, and that is that Wesley is a member of the trio. No matter who the rest of you think the other two may be, anyone who is not a member of the anomalies (you would know if you were), must vote for Wesley or else you will lose.
Let's see, 31337 votes for wesley, innocent townie is convinced by 31337, other two mafia vote for wesley, thus ending day.

I don't see any math problems there, and that answers the other "forgotten' explanation as to why the mafia of three (assuming that there are indeed three alive, on a single team, as according to 31337 [Remember, it said 50% of ANY group, so that just might mean that there are enough regular people to be 50%{I'm not saying either one way or the other, it's just the wording is a little...odd}])

As for 4, Yeah, another forgotten reason: The mafia wait and don't vote. (possibly because not all of them are awake at the same time or something... or part of a sinister plan). This provides 'proof' that Wesley is mafia, just because no one votes for him besides 31337.

As for 5, That is a very odd thing to say. """VOTE for this one person or you will lose!!!!1!1!!""" Uh... Yeah (yay for hyperboles, or whatever the term is) "Don't buy that one car, it's so unsafe that it needs seatbelts!" (referring to early auto manufacturing, ya know, when one company actually started to put seatbelts in their cars)

And as for Diginova's saying that Wes admitted to 'hiding' Where exactly was that?

Overall I believe that 31337 is more of a threat, what with the 'logic' of his posts...

Vote: 31337

[Mossysox]

[quote=31337;131501]Can't you see the logic in my actions?
*omitting most of it, to save repetition*
...
...
My post has been there all day, and those three people didn't suddenly bandwagon. The only possible reason for that is that Wesley is a member of the trio. Even if I was mistaken about the other two members, there can be no doubt at all about Wesley./quote]My math's just fine, thank you, so's my logic. I'm not arguing with your first point - I think you, Diginova and one other are the three in question. I've already said, I'm convinced you're an Anomaly playing the 'lure out a Normal' game, so that the rest of your team can pile in and end it all. And I'm not going to be the innocent, anxious Normal you reel in to help you.

[31337]

See, this is what I don't get. You completely ignore the fact that Wesely is not being bandwagoned therefore he is probably an anomaly. I am not taking my vote off until I get concrete evidence that these behaviors are not the work of mafia activity. I guess when the anomalies send in their kill, we are all going to die.

[Mossysox]

See, this is what I don't get. You completely ignore the fact that Wesely is not being bandwagoned therefore he is probably an anomaly. I am not taking my vote off until I get concrete evidence that these behaviors are not the work of mafia activity. I guess when the anomalies send in their kill, we are all going to die.
How many times do I have to say this? I'm not ignoring the fact that Wesley hasn't been bandwagoned: I just don't accept your interpretation of it.
I believe you, Diginova and A.N.Other hatched this little scheme, and that your friends have held off from voting because they're waiting for someone (me, apparently) to fall for their trick.
And don't bother trying to scare me with 'do as I tell you, or we'll all die!. I've already said, I'm quite sure I'll be your next target, if you get the chance to hit anybody else.

[CheeseLord]

From what I can tell, both 31337 and Wesley are almost certainly anomolies. For that reason I think I will Vote: 31337.

[Roland]

Okay, firstly: I'm terribly confused. I'm currently re-re-re-re-re-reading the last couple pages once more. Okay... Here's what I think...

Um, okay? Atkins is smart. I don't think he is an anomaly so I'll just have to vote. Vote: Wesley

Okay, this is suspicious... But could it be that he had reasoning, and he just didn't share it? His reasoning was faulty, though, and he could have just unvoted for the moment just to think about it. But he didn't. Very suspicious.

The lab director says someone can win today. After the vote, there will be six left, so a team of three would be needed to win, according to the rules.
Those three people could could win by waiting for someone to make a mistake and then all piling on the bandwagon.
If my vote was for anyone who was not on that team, the three would have voted with me.The team of three will not vote for one of the other four first, because it weakens their advantage.
Look there are three people who posted after me: drgamer, Wesley, and Mossysox, and drgamer again who all refused to vote with me and who also didn't vote for anyone else, but they did try to persuade you non-members of their group to vote for me.
We have to get rid of one of this group of three now or they will win, which means the rest of us will lose, so follow my lead and vote for Wesley, and if any of you out there also have the ability to kill, go after drgamer tonight.

Okay, this post just scares me...

And why the heck are people suspecting Wesley just because he got recklessly bandwagoned on? Oh wait... Are you saying Wesley is a mafia because if he were a normal, then all the anomalies would bandwagon? I suppose so, but then again, the trio might not try, because if 31337 unvoted quick enough, they'd look mighty suspicious. And plus, it could be reverse psychology. Of course, Wes is still a suspect, but perhaps there are some better targets? And if not, we might want to be a little more tentative.

Wes even admitted he was hiding instead of lurking, but it's been only three hours since he's been on; not long enough for the insta-bandwagoners (the anomalies) to get three votes... I'm suspicious of Wes, but I'll give them a couple more hours before starting the vote; if the anomalies start bandwagoning, it's up to 31337 to change his vote as soon as possible, and, if not, everyone that is not with them needs to vote for us to succeed.

This post is trivia. It is very risky! 31337 would be forced, in real time, to change his vote, after the first bandwagoner showed up.

Can't you see the logic in my actions?


The three people must exist and it must consist of anomalies. Mafia games always end when the mafia comprises half of the players. This game is no exception. This is for all mafia games.
Mossysox, your math is screwed up. There are only 7 players left alive, so only 4 votes are needed to remove someone from the chamber.
My post has been there all day, and those three people didn't suddenly bandwagon. The only possible reason for that is that Wesley is a member of the trio. Even if I was mistaken about the other two members, there can be no doubt at all about Wesley.
We know for sure that everyone has read my post (except maybe Cheeselord, who hasn't posted).
Again, there is only one possible explanation for the anomalies to not have jumped at the chance to get rid of Wesley, and that is that Wesley is a member of the trio. No matter who the rest of you think the other two may be, anyone who is not a member of the anomalies (you would know if you were), must vote for Wesley or else you will lose.

And this is going too far.

So, who's more suspicious? Diginova or 31337? Well, Mossysox seems to think that Diginova is more suspicious because he didn't post about the brilliant idea, but as Drgamer said, I'm not totally sure whether you're allowed to discuss the about the Brilliant Idea in the chamber. Though it doesn't say in the rules that you can't...

But just like Chaucer and Julian, it doesn't matter who we get rid of first, it just matters that we get rid of one of them! VOTE:31337.

[Mossysox]

OK, fine. Unvote, and Vote: 31337.

[drgamer]

Four votes for 31337! The person who ignored me explaining the illogicalness of his Wesley plan...

[Jamul]

OH NO!!!!!!

THE ANOMALIES HAVE WON!

Of course, that's good news to all of you, since every single one of you is an Anomaly.

Well, not really good news - because only the anomaly team of Blackmyth/Cheeselord, Mossysox, and Dr. Gamer actually won. All 3 of them remain alive, while all the other teams have been whittled down.

31337 was the only remaining member of Hammered and Justin's team.

Diginova was the last remainder of Atkins and Coolguy's team.

Roland and Wesley remained on Regeneratorizer's team.

The other two wiped out teams (note the hint I gave when they were wiped out!) were:

Dave Hettel, WackieWatty, and Julianmh102;
and
PlasmaCannonsRule, Chaucer, and Mr. Onion.

The brilliant idea was this:

Everyone is an anomaly, divided into 6 teams of 3. At night, whichever team gets their PM in first is the one who counts (if you read my thematic 'scientific announcement', you'll see that it says exactly that).

That's all there is to it! It was fun to see how people would act when they were ALL lying. I enjoyed Regen's cop ploy the most (in case it isn't obvious, NOBODY had a power role of any kind).

A couple things I would've changed:

1 - I should've had the 'lynch as soon as the last vote is in' rule from the beginning. No, it's not (very) unfair to make it a game of getting in the first PM, because it's (theoretically) possible to control when that last vote occurs, so you're ready for it. That was part of the strategy, although like any strategy in this game, it depended on you figuring everything out right away. By the time you had an idea what was happening, it was too late!

2 - I wish I had gone with my original thought to make 3 teams of 6. People would've gone crazy wondering why the teams were so HUGE (though I bet some wondered why they were so small!), but I think it would've made for better gameplay. These teams were too small to have much power even if they knew what was what.

3 - I wish I had just locked it to 16 players, so I had 4 teams of 4. That was the most preferred. Of course, 20 players with 4 teams of 5 would've been better still!

In case you're wondering why I said the game would be really short, and it really really wasn't, I had originally intended to do normal mafia rules all the way. So you would be informed on every lynch "He was a mafia!", and each night the one who died, "He was a mafia!". So you'd figure out really fast what was up. I had fun with the secretive and weird thing I ended up doing instead though.

Award for most-attacked: Coolguy. Of the 39 night-kill choices made, fully 14 of them were aimed at him! When you consider that his team would never have made that choice (ruling out 7 of the 39), and that he was dead for the last two nights (ruling out another 7, 9 choices minus the 2 already ruled out), that's only ELEVEN times he could've been picked and wasn't. He was the choice 56% of the time. Lucky for him it wasn't until Night 5 that someone actually picked him FIRST! He better watch his back...

I'm not sure what other stuff there is to share with you... feel free to discuss, and I'll throw more in when I can think of it. It was a fun experiment for me! I really enjoyed seeing how it all played out.

[Jamul]

Oh, I also wish I had had the proper fear of lurkers in me, and had had that rule of anybody can send in the night kill from the beginning too. It helped things a LOT.

[Coolguy]

Oh, well. :p I wish I hadn't told my team the Brilliant Idea- They stole my revive!

Anyways, I hereby reward the ''Worst, Most Horrible, Awful Logic Of All Time'' trophy to DrGamer and Mossysox, for their defense of Wes and going after 31337. :p Seriously, that logic was TERRIBLE! How could you fall for it, Roland!?!? That's worse than what Regen did in Carnival Mafia.

[drgamer]

I was going for the fact that 31337 was going all wonky :P

[regeneratorizer]

That's worse than what Regen did in Carnival Mafia.

Ouch, so cruel. That memory pains me, please do not bring it up, or I fear I will have nightmares again!

Anyways, my splendiferous plan to fool'd you all worked! Well, sort of. I knew I would be killed off by another mafia team(We had already gathered there was more than one)... But I didnt know that everyone was mafia, so I figured that by proving Atkins innocent, the other mafia would kill him off while I proved DH evil.

Meh, oh well.

[Hammered]

Really dumb moves:

31337 voting for Wes - never cast the first vote if you are in a group that is in a position to lose on that day
The gang of 3 not voting for Wes - what was that about?
Nobody recognizing that 31337 wasn't acting anything like himself, although he was suddenly acting almost exactly like Hammered - that proved he could not be a member of the gang of 3, since the only way for him to be in communication with Hammered was if he was in her gang and she was deadThat covers the current day. I might post more later.

[31337]

Well, now we know how this game is like no other mafia game. :P

[Hammered]

Of course, I told you what it was as I guessed it, so you already knew.

[31337]

Yeah, but it wouldn't be we without everyone. :p

[Wesley]

Wow... I still can't believe I didn't die. This was a fun game Jamul. I'm glad I signed up!

[31337]

Yeah, this game was fun. :D

[chaucer]

This was one of the most interesting games I've ever played.

[drgamer]

The gang of 3 not voting for Wes - what was that about?

Cheeselord wasn't responding to our messaging him. We didn't know if he was awake or not. Hence, not voting for Wes was smart (I didn't expect Cheeselord to suddenly wake up to vote... still, had to get the game moving along quick enough before some [more] smart juices got flowing)

[CheeseLord]

Sorry about that. I was at my friend's house for a few days, and the internet access wasn't very good.

[diginova]

I wasn't expecting such a quick bandwagon... I knew the brilliant idea from day 1 (even before Coolguy told me) from the strange wording and doublespeak in Jamul's opening posts, I just wasn't specific enough with my guesses. And we got in the first 4 nightkills, since I just happened to be on when Jamul posted night. Oh well, I was thinking that Wes was on the trio of 3, so we would have lost anyway :(. And I was debating whether or not to share the BI, but most of the people that knew it had used up their regen before.

On to mafia 21!


Mafia 20: End. Official length: 301 posts.

[regeneratorizer]

That's all there is to it! It was fun to see how people would act when they were ALL lying. I enjoyed Regen's cop ploy the most (in case it isn't obvious, NOBODY had a power role of any kind).

:mrgreen::mrgreen:

[Mossysox]

Anyways, I hereby reward the ''Worst, Most Horrible, Awful Logic Of All Time'' trophy to DrGamer and Mossysox, for their defense of Wes and going after 31337. :p Seriously, that logic was TERRIBLE! How could you fall for it, Roland!?!? That's worse than what Regen did in Carnival Mafia.

Um, thanks, I think! :p It won us the game when we weren't sure our triplet would join us, and when I was expecting people to start voting CheeseLord for lurking... Can't think what else we could have done in that position. (Obviously, or I would have done something else!) Though as a tactic, I still think 31337's move was awful. If we'd been able to orchestrate having all three of us post in quick succession, the game would have been over before he'd had a chance to Unvote.

Really dumb moves:
Nobody recognizing that 31337 wasn't acting anything like himself, although he was suddenly acting almost exactly like Hammered - that proved he could not be a member of the gang of 3, since the only way for him to be in communication with Hammered was if he was in her gang and she was dead

Well, not quite nobody, but I certainly wasn't going to signpost it!:D

That was the most difficult part about the game, never being sure how much other people had worked out about the Brilliant Idea (which we also had from Day 1). But this was great fun. Thanks, jamul!

[Roland]

Oh, well. :p I wish I hadn't told my team the Brilliant Idea- They stole my revive!

Anyways, I hereby reward the ''Worst, Most Horrible, Awful Logic Of All Time'' trophy to DrGamer and Mossysox, for their defense of Wes and going after 31337. :p Seriously, that logic was TERRIBLE! How could you fall for it, Roland!?!? That's worse than what Regen did in Carnival Mafia.

I didn't fall for it. I knew it didn't make any sense. Of course, what I didn't realise was that everyone was an anomaly... You see, I thought it'd be good if everyone bandwagoned on a Normal, so naturally I came up with logic (that I knew was awful) that went with the trend, but it was reasonably long-winded, so no-one could really suspect me.

And also, if I weren't on regen's team, it would have been so obvious to me that regen was lying. As i said in some PM's, the game, if it wants to follow it's "storyline", the game doesn't allow mystical powers because that wouldn't make them very 'normal', would it? I guess the anomalies could have had powers, being weird and all.

But when I knew something was really up, was when Jamul said that someone could win today. It mathematically didn't add up. Also, I wondered why no-one actually referred to dead people's alliances.

Anyways, just seeing the brilliant idea made me smile, and then everything just clicked in my head. Well, I suppose that would've happened with all of you! The only complaint I have is that that game is terribly difficult to win.

Though wouldn't the game have been totally broken if we chatted about it? There weren't strict enough rules on it. Because if everyone knew that that was the case, everyone would just vote the other team, and we'd have a gridlock.

P.S: And by the way, that Mafia Tips thread was not a double bluff! I did make it for the sake of helping people!

[Jamul]

No, this game could be played in an unsecret way just fine. If everybody knew everyone was mafia, but nobody knew which team different people were on, it would be a game of trying to figure out which groups were which, so you could ensure your group remains powerful while they all get weakened. You'd ally with other groups (or parts of them) to wipe out other other groups, and so on. It'd be very strategic and a whole lot of backstabbing and evil. I don't know what the best strategies would be, but it's a game all about human nature and how people think, so it would be very intense!

And of course people could share the BI if they wanted... they'd be helping the other teams! That's why it was funny how people would ask again and again if Normals can talk about it. Because of course they can, since there aren't any. And of course the game would be broken if they could. As everybody said, it gives the entire Normal team two lives. That should've also been a clue to the BI right there. You have to think "why won't he change that rule? It can't possibly be fair!"

[AtkinsSJ]

Ages ago I had the idea of having everyone on one of 2 mafia teams, but couldn't work out how to make it work. The way you made people think there were townies, and motivating everyone not to announce that everyone was mafia, is pure genious. Wow.

[Mossysox]

P.S: And by the way, that Mafia Tips thread was not a double bluff! I did make it for the sake of helping people!
Um, never doubted it, actually, Roland. I was just being evil.... :p