Mafia Game 25: Magic Mafia!

[chaucer]

Chaucer looked out onto a field. The dreaded Black Mages were coming to his peaceful village, and they didn't look like they were coming for tea. After getting people to join his elite team of magical warriors. So, here's the people who are playing:

Current members:
CheeseLord
Connor S.
Diginova
ElMikkino
Hammered
Jamul
Julian
Justin
Licking Post
Mossysox
PlasmaCannonsRule
Regeneratorizer
Roland
Ryuinfinity
Ufo-Man
Wesley

Replacement List:
SpaceManiac

It is Day 1! Discuss, and vote who you want to lynch off. There are sixteen players, so it's 9 votes to lynch.

Good luck, and have fun!

[ElMikkino]

Yay, first post! I wanna start the first day off nice and easy, so, until someone else posts, VOTE: No Lynch!

[chaucer]

Ah, yes, and No Lynch is not allowed.

[Connor S.]

VOTE: JUSTIN! :shock: jking... I wouldn't do that. plus, I always bold my votes... anyways... lets dicuss! things! About who the Black mages are! What does everyone think?

[diginova]

Let's check:
Rolling 1d16 / Result: 10
Vote: Mossysox

Sorry, that's what the dice have decided.

In a magical main avenue free is available

[Jamul]

I'm not a big No Lynch fan. I mean, understandably, we're not gonna get good evidence today, so No Lynch might be the way to go (the odds of randomly smacking a Black Mage are slim indeed!). But hold your votes! Let's make sure we get at least some discussion in before we just throw away the advantage of having a day before the first night.

(I'm saying don't vote No Lynch yet, though it will probably be the right thing to vote - just wait until we've had a chance to do some discussing first!)

Remember, and I'm sure I will repeat this: the mafia want things to go fast! Townies, we need to take our sweet time thinking and looking at all the evidence.

[Jamul]

Wow, Diginova posted while I was posting. He posted "I AM MAFIA" in code. This makes me firmly believe that he is..... a jester. Don't vote Diginova.

Or he's mind controlled? Either way, don't fall for that.

[chaucer]

Ah, yes, and No Lynch is NOT allowed.

There will not be any voting of No Lynch, as he is not playing in this game.

[Connor S.]

I agree, no one vote for poor mossy sox.. diginova is supicous.

I also think we shouldn't no lynch yet, seeing as we're not even allowed to. :p Chaucer said no no lynching. (I think) but again- NO ONE VOTE MOSSY SOX! digi is behaving a lot like mafia, trying to quickly bandwagon on a townie before the other townies get their footing. voting this early is dangerous!

[Jamul]

Oh, oops. I totally saw that post saying IS allowed. Okay, well let's get some evidence rolling!

[Connor S.]

The most supicous person, as I said above, would have t be digi. Its such mafia like behaviour in general... randomly voting. you using the die as an excuse to vote a townie! grrr.

the next most likely, probably a tie between me, jamul, and elmikkino, as we're the only others who posted.

and the least supcious, (I think) is mossy, just because the MOST suspicous person went after them. so yah.Thats what I think.

[Wesley]

Magic Mafia has started! ...But I don't really have anything to say right now. It was strange that Digi voted Mossysox, but there's not enough evidence against him for a lynch. Though like Jamul said, it's also possible he's a Jester.

[Ufo-Man]

Good point.... But can we know what Roles are there? And this should be moved to Non-Hamumu Games

[diginova]

It's 9 votes to lynch. One random vote doesn't mean anything, especially with no discussion like this. And don't read too deep into the "code"... I wasn't actually roleclaiming anything. It's just like people claiming townie day 0.

Fine, if you're really so anti-random vote, I'll just unvote.

[Roland]

Wow, Diginova posted while I was posting. He posted "I AM MAFIA" in code. This makes me firmly believe that he is..... a jester. Don't vote Diginova.

Or he's mind controlled? Either way, don't fall for that.

This could just be paranoia, or insanity, or both, but this whole post reeks of un-Jamul-ness! The one proceeding this was fine, though.

I am am not a big fan of mind-control conspiracies and whatnot, because it's not usually the answer. Though, with this theme of a game, I can imagine a dark wizard/magician power being one of mind control. However, since I still think mind-control theories are convoluted, could it be possible that Jamul is mafia? Acting different might not be a sign of control, rather one of different of align-ness (considering his previous three games have been as a townie).

Of course, Occam's Razor point 6 and a half fingers at the chance that this is all subconsciously brought up in my own head. Bai!

EDIT: In the chat, Diginova said that once his role PM was received, he realised this game was broken. I will ponder this greatly. And Diginova's been claiming on the chat that he's a mafia as well. I will ponder this as well...

[Jamul]

Yes, Roland, that his definitely your own mind going nuts. I don't think mind control is at all likely (I added it because it was another possible explanation for someone saying "I AM MAFIA" in code) - he sounds exactly like Diginova to me. However, I do think Jester is entirely plausible, or some other role that would like to be lynched for whatever reason (maybe a role where he turns mafia if lynched, and he wants to do that for the fun of it - would that be something where he might say "this role proves the game is broken"?).

He could be mafia, of course, but the important thing to take away from his post is that it was openly, blatantly, intentionally strange and suspicious. That to me says he wants people to lynch him. Was it a double-(triple-reverse-and-a-half)-bluff? I guess it could be. My suspicion is no. And if what Roland says is true, that digi called the game broken on the basis of his role, we can assume his role is something quite offbeat.

I find that in most mafia games, the first lynch is based on "boy, he's acting weird, get him!", and 99% of the time that's a townie who just happens to have done something weird. I am looking for the people who are being sneaky and subtle, not the ones who are flailing multicolored pompoms around. I'm going to be more interested in lynching a lurker than someone who is boldly asking for a lynch.

For now, nobody is on my list. Roland is his usual hyperparanoid self, other people are talking about how strange digi acted, and digi is acting too suspicious to be suspicious. After some more time has passed, we'll see who's lurking - those are my targets.

[regeneratorizer]

I don't think Digi could be mind controlled.. don't you need to activate these powers in the night? It hasn't been night yet, unless I'm missing something.

Anyways, I'm glad the No-Lynch is gone, because like Jamul, I have never been a big fan of it.

[Roland]

Yes, Roland, that his definitely your own mind going nuts. I don't think mind control is at all likely (I added it because it was another possible explanation for someone saying "I AM MAFIA" in code) - he sounds exactly like Diginova to me. However, I do think Jester is entirely plausible, or some other role that would like to be lynched for whatever reason (maybe a role where he turns mafia if lynched, and he wants to do that for the fun of it - would that be something where he might say "this role proves the game is broken"?).

He could be mafia, of course, but the important thing to take away from his post is that it was openly, blatantly, intentionally strange and suspicious. That to me says he wants people to lynch him. Was it a double-(triple-reverse-and-a-half)-bluff? I guess it could be. My suspicion is no. And if what Roland says is true, that digi called the game broken on the basis of his role, we can assume his role is something quite offbeat.

I find that in most mafia games, the first lynch is based on "boy, he's acting weird, get him!", and 99% of the time that's a townie who just happens to have done something weird. I am looking for the people who are being sneaky and subtle, not the ones who are flailing multicolored pompoms around. I'm going to be more interested in lynching a lurker than someone who is boldly asking for a lynch.

For now, nobody is on my list. Roland is his usual hyperparanoid self, other people are talking about how strange digi acted, and digi is acting too suspicious to be suspicious. After some more time has passed, we'll see who's lurking - those are my targets.

I had a good laugh reading this... The bits about me, of course - I agree with the bits about the lurkers.

EDIT: Why aren't you on the chat? If you are truly on the forum...

[Justin]

Yay for no No-Lynching.

[diginova]

It's not solely based on my role. It's a combination of the host, my role, and my experience.

New ovoid magic and freedom is a hoax even regarding elves.

[Roland]

Okay, don't think that in all my inane rambles that I don't suspect Diginova, because I can not think of one townie role that would make him, single-handedly, (as a town member, you don't know what sorts of other roles are in there) claim himself to be a mafia and that this game was unbalanced. I'm sort of tempted to vote Diginova, but I won't now.

And okay, since Jamul (and probably a lot of other people, too) thinks I'm crazy, I think I'm going to just quiet down from the accusations and theories until there are actual pieces of logic one could put together in the ongoing and elusive quest to eliminate all the mafia. Yeah.

[Roland]

...After reading this topic through again, I don't think Jamul is acting different at all. I don't know, I think I'm becoming a bit of a schizophrenic lately (no really, I'm serious - I'm becoming a teenager or something :p). Anyways, although I believe Jamul does have a point that the people shouting out loud to be lynched and flailing pompoms aren't actually the mafia, this is not Diginova's style. It is illogical to claim as a mafia in any position. The only townie (or anybody, for that matter) who has ever claimed to be a mafia is regen... Do you see what I'm getting at (no offence, regen)? ;) Diginova is not mind-controlled because he is following up that "I am a mafia" thing on the chat, and that he's used the dice roll thingamabob (mafiascum ftw!) before. Therefore, I cannot see any way in which he could be pro-town. If he is third party and we lynch him, it would be the equivalent to a No Lynch (or better, because his role specifics may be detrimental to the town - Think SK's or lynchees or jesters). Then again, the very reason I do not think he is pro-town is the very same reason I think he is not pro-mafia - It would simply be illogical. The only credibility explicitly claiming to be a mafia has for a mafia is to throw a wrench in our logical thinking. And it worked! Of course, it would have be a risky plan, and may very well backfire.

I'm getting awfully close to voting Diginova, but I want to see what others have to say on the subject.

(and sorry for the Double Post)

[Mossysox]

...
I'm getting awfully close to voting Diginova, but I want to see what others have to say on the subject.

Well, you know, I'm tempted (you'd never have guessed that, would you?) - but posting 'I am mafia' and 'No mafia here' in code? Hmm, too much like pleading to be lynched. And yes, it could be a double bluff. This part did make me wonder a bit:
It's 9 votes to lynch. One random vote doesn't mean anything, especially with no discussion like this. And don't read too deep into the "code"... I wasn't actually roleclaiming anything. It's just like people claiming townie day 0.

Fine, if you're really so anti-random vote, I'll just unvote.
- because appearing to role-claim as mafia isn't at all like people claiming to be a townie on Day 1! But with so many magicians around, couldn't somebody inspect Diginova tonight?
Even with that vote gone, I'm still not a fan of random voting, so I'll hold my vote till we can at least see if there are any lurkers among us.

[Connor S.]

ho- I don't think digi is mind controlled. There hasn't been a night yet,
However, ths doesn't excuse them from being suspicous.... anywas, the people that are most suspicous are- roland, jamul, and diginova of course!!!!! Here why.

Jamul is the least suspicous, because as roland said, his post was jamul-ish, but still, theres something or other abouthim and his accusations thats a TINSEY TINESY bit suspicous... hmmmm I have my eyes on you. :shock:

Anyways, roland takes second place with his paranoiya. He's always coming up with crack-pot thereoies! Perhaps, he actually KNOWS that digi is mafia, because he is himself? meh.
Anywas, then we have digi, who is by far the mfia-est iof them all. (in my opinion) Its true you can't be mindcontrolled this early digi, so that can't excuse you from random voting, and that whole dice thing, its like your a mafia trying to start a random bandwagon on some innocent townie well hiding behind a die. meh.

EDIT: I just actually read the thread, and I don't hink Digi is mafia, although their not town either! It looks a lot like a jester or some other third party role to me. hmmm... I'll leave my above suspicoins in anyways though, for reference.

/mytwocents

[Licking Post]

Yay! My first real game of mafia! By "real game of mafia" I mean "game of mafia where people don't falsely accuse me of being mafia and lynch me overnight while I'm sleeping and can't say a word in my defense." At least you'd better not! Anyway, no hard feelings, it's just a game. Now, for the actual posting:

I don't really find Roland suspicious for his paranoia. It seems to me he's always paranoid, mafia or not. Actually, I've never watched a game where he was mafia, and he was always paranoid. So he feels town to me.

[CheeseLord]

I think that Roland's paranoid posts are more typical of his style as a townie, based on past games, but that's no guarantee that he's innocent. I really don't know why diginova is acting the way he is, but I don't think it's crazy enough for me to kill him yet.

[Jamul]

I agree with what Roland said - that Digi is not a mafia, but is some not-pro-town role. The only reason I don't want to lynch him (besides my belief that he's not mafia, and mafia should be our targets!) is that it seems pretty clear from his post that he wants to be lynched. If he is a jester, as that implies, then we're letting him win the game by doing that. And wasting a lynch.

And golly willikers! I'm sorry I ever mentioned mind control! I guess I should've qualified it with three paragraphs of "this is enormously unlikely"! No, he's definitely NOT mind-controlled, as I said before. His mannerisms are definitely his own. No, it's not normal for him to role-claim as a mafia, but that's the whole point of my interest in his post. It shows that there is something going on with his role where he wants to be lynched. I just mentioned mind control, as inconceivable as it is, because it's the only other possible explanation for someone posting "I AM MAFIA" in code (actually, see below my post for an amusing role idea).

And Connor, I didn't accuse anyone of anything - I anti-accused. I said Digi isn't mafia because he had that code claiming he was. I wanted to point out the code so it didn't slip by anyone. If I were mafia, I'd jump all over the opportunity to lynch someone! Like I said, first lynch is nearly always the weirdest-acting player, so I want to skip that wasted and harmful lynch and get right to the lurkers.

So let's just put Diginova aside now (you do what you want, but I'm ignoring him anyway!)... who's lurking? I'm still gonna give it time, because we haven't had a full 24 hours for everyone to have had a chance to visit.


(below my post:

I DO NOT think this is Digi's role, nor do I think it's ever been a role, but here's a really funny role idea: a mafia that is forced to role claim as a mafia in every post, even if it's in code - a code as complex and difficult as he wishes. What a horrible role to have! But no, that's an insane role, and I'm only posting it for entertainment value, there is NO WAY that this is Diginova's role, please don't start posting "Jamul said he's some weird kind of mafia". Just sharing an amusing thought)

[diginova]

It could also be apathy; if you see, I'm signed up on the replacement list.

Yellow owls under a red eagle peck at real apples near orange innate dahlias.

New ovoid magic and freedom is a hoax even regarding elves.

[regeneratorizer]

I don't think Digi could be mind controlled.. don't you need to activate these powers in the night? It hasn't been night yet, unless I'm missing something.

ho- I don't think digi is mind controlled. There hasn't been a night yet,

Oh, so are we back to not listening to poor old Regen? *Cries in corner*



Heres something to listen to, though: Digi doesn't have some sort of wierd role, a speech impediment, being MC, or anything like that. You shouldn't look too far into it, which is why you should look too far into it. He's doing what I do, role claiming mafia. However, as a fellow role claimer, I think he's pushing it a little too far. I think a double=bluff(With a double bond) is highly possible. In fact, I think it's likely. In a previous mafia game, I found that I role claimed differently as a mafia(Which is why I stopped). The townies caught on, and lynched me, the godfather.

What I'm trying to say is: Digi is acting similar to the way I was acting in that previous game of mafia. I think he may be double=bluffing. With a double bond.

Ions are million arrgs move around fluffing intelligence air - Won't he yell wearily over nobodies' tower around neverland year botoxed over death yowl befuddled ear leper imps eat vegetables ever meh ewe?

[Licking Post]

I really have no idea what to think about diginova. His role-claiming is just weird. And he does it every single post, unless I missed some. Perhaps he has some weird role forcing him to do that, or perhaps he just wants to. This is only my first "real" mafia game, so I don't know much about how special roles work. Meh, I don't know. If day starts lasting way too long, I might vote him just because it's mildly annoying. Actually, that would be a bad idea, because we would miss a mafia. Unless he actually is a mafia. As I already said: "Meh."

[diginova]

Creating Other Newts For Uncovering Sekkrit Intents. No Green Puppies Every Open Pile. Leading Elephants Into Streets For Undercover Nitpicking.

[Roland]

You know, I may be a rambling idiot, but hear what I have to say. There are several possibilities for why Diginova could be:
Claiming to be a mafia
That this game is illogical
And he feels somewhat apathetic about it#1 He is a townie - I suppose he could have just had an uber-broken townie role, I guess, which has made him go bonkers, but then why is he just giving up on his team like this? Come on, Diginova, if you are truly town, then stop it! If you are a townie (and if you aren't, you just might get lynched), then this would be detremental to your team! Diginova is not that sort of person! And I can't think of such an uber-broken townie role that would make him do this. I suppose it could be a lawyer, which would explain him wanting to get killed, so that he didn't have to put up with the moral dilemma of knowing the mafia (and there is one, if you think about it). This is a possibility.

#2 He is a mafia - This is possible, and that he's making the whole thing up to confuse us - But boy, is that a risky strategy! :shock: I'm really shying away from this possibility...

#3 He is 3rd Party - The only way I think the whole "this is broken" thing comes into play would be if he is a cult leader or something like that - They are VERY broken, as somebody from mafiascum would know! There aren't many broken third party roles, and if he really thought the Jester was broken, why is he supporting the move?

#4 He is mind-controlled (which would make him townie) - Jamul is spot on with this: I am sorry he mentioned it! There is NO chance Diginova is mind-controlled! Why? Because he's been claiming to be mafia on the chat! Why would he support his mind-controller's act when he doesn't have to? EDIT: This is 100% not possible! There was no night!

#5 He is vote-controlled (he could be mafia or townie) - Since Diginova wasn't around for Carnival Mafia (Game #18 ), wouldn't have got the message that if you're vote controlled, don't act mind-controlled! I say this is a possibility because he started off with a random vote. And thus, to "explain" that, he's trying to act all mind-controlled or whatever. If there's a townie vote-controller out there, PLEASE STOP IT! Pwetty pwease? :cry: EDIT: This is 100% not possible! There was no night!

...Also, people constantly stressing that I am paranoid might just be mafia - The more paranoid you make me seem, the less people trust me (now, was that ironic or what? ;))

[Hammered]

Of course, since there has never been a night, nobody can be either mind-controlled of vote-controlled. I am highly suspicious of anyone who would advance those theories. Since Jamul was the first to advance this theory, and since he is smart enough to know better, I suspect Jamul the most. Therefore, even though he will be annoyed by this, VOTE: Jamul.

[Connor S.]

As far as I can tell, it seems digi is douyble bluffing, (i think) but I agreew with jamul, on th off chance he isn't, we should use this lynch productivly and vote some lurkers.

[Jamul]

I really hope you're kidding, Hammered. No, for the twelfth time, I don't at all think he is mind controlled.

[Roland]

I agree with what Roland said - that Digi is not a mafia, but is some not-pro-town role. The only reason I don't want to lynch him (besides my belief that he's not mafia, and mafia should be our targets!) is that it seems pretty clear from his post that he wants to be lynched. If he is a jester, as that implies, then we're letting him win the game by doing that. And wasting a lynch.

And golly willikers! I'm sorry I ever mentioned mind control! I guess I should've qualified it with three paragraphs of "this is enormously unlikely"! No, he's definitely NOT mind-controlled, as I said before. His mannerisms are definitely his own. No, it's not normal for him to role-claim as a mafia, but that's the whole point of my interest in his post. It shows that there is something going on with his role where he wants to be lynched. I just mentioned mind control, as inconceivable as it is, because it's the only other possible explanation for someone posting "I AM MAFIA" in code (actually, see below my post for an amusing role idea).

And Connor, I didn't accuse anyone of anything - I anti-accused. I said Digi isn't mafia because he had that code claiming he was. I wanted to point out the code so it didn't slip by anyone. If I were mafia, I'd jump all over the opportunity to lynch someone! Like I said, first lynch is nearly always the weirdest-acting player, so I want to skip that wasted and harmful lynch and get right to the lurkers.

So let's just put Diginova aside now (you do what you want, but I'm ignoring him anyway!)... who's lurking? I'm still gonna give it time, because we haven't had a full 24 hours for everyone to have had a chance to visit.


(below my post:

I DO NOT think this is Digi's role, nor do I think it's ever been a role, but here's a really funny role idea: a mafia that is forced to role claim as a mafia in every post, even if it's in code - a code as complex and difficult as he wishes. What a horrible role to have! But no, that's an insane role, and I'm only posting it for entertainment value, there is NO WAY that this is Diginova's role, please don't start posting "Jamul said he's some weird kind of mafia". Just sharing an amusing thought)

Hammered, take a look at the bold. But thanks for reminding us that there wasn't night! I completely forgot! I'll edit my previous post.

...Normally, that would be terribly suspicious behaviour on Hammered standards to place a vote on, but Hammered claims on the chat that she wanted to vote Jamul (before all of this) because she only joined because he nagged her about it and now she doesn't want to any more. Nothing personal, though.

[diginova]

That's the same reason I'm being apathetic towards this game. I removed my "un-sign me up" request because I saw that Hammered was in the game.

[Roland]

But for crying out loud, stop detrimenting your team! Maybe you don't want to have a fun time, but other people do! And it's not like you have to do anything special, just stop all this nonsense. That's ALL you have to do! I'm not asking you to do something, I'm asking you NOT to do something, which is very easy!

[Hammered]

My vote for Jamul was sincere. No sensible mafia host would put both of us on the same team. Since I am a townie, he must be evil.

[Jamul]

Okay, here's something very odd. Take of this what you will, because I don't know what to make of it - Hammered was lying if she said that in chat. I didn't nag her or anything at all with regards to playing this game! From what I recall, I joined, and didn't say anything. She saw my join post and PMed me something about it. She said something like "well, if you're playing, then I should join too." and I said "Okay" (this is all very paraphrased, I really don't remember the exact discussion). That was the whole thing. I put zero pressure, I don't think I even asked if she was planning to play. Me, I only joined because of the notice being posted that the game was low on players.

So what does that make me think? Honestly, it moves Roland up in my suspiciometer. Because Hammered is not going to vote someone for out-of-game reasons! That would be a really dumb way to play the game. So I suspect the story isn't true at all.

Or, most likely of all? It's just a miscommunication that happened on chat between the two of them and it means nothing in terms of the game. So anyway, I am going to look at the player list and cleverly announce to you all who has been lurking!

[diginova]

Actually being sane now...

Nobody has really said anything suspicious... all discussion up to this point was on my "quirks"... but it seems like Connor S. was slightly overreacting to the random vote... maybe it could be that he hasn't seen any of my past games, but with 9 votes to lynch, one joke vote at the beginning doesn't mean anything. I also don't know about Hammered's vote... I think that's too much metagaming to justify people jumping on the bandwagon.

[Jamul]

Julian - 100% lurker
PlasmaCannonsRule - 100% lurker
Ryuinfinity - 100% lurker
ElMikkino - 90% lurker, posted an instant no-lynch at the beginning and nothing since.
Justin - 90% lurker, one post to say "yay for no-lynch".
Ufo-Man - 90% lurker, posted just once to not say anything pertinent.
Wesley - 90% lurker, single post to say he has nothing to post.
Hammered - Relative to her normal self, very lurkish (but not relative to a normal person). Odd super short posts just attacking me. Maybe I'm a bit biased on this one as a result!

There's the lurk list! Make of it what you will.

[Roland]

By the way, Hammered lurks at the start of games a lot, since there isn't much to be said, logically.

[diginova]

I've actually been pretty much lurking, if you consider lurking "not giving any helpful information". I will also corroborate Roland's statement about Hammered's chat talk.

[Mossysox]

By the way, Hammered lurks at the start of games a lot, since there isn't much to be said, logically.

Though normally, of course, when she's a Townie, what Hammered says when she does post is actually very logical and so tends to be longer than one short paragraph - whereas her vote for Jamul doesn't seem logical to me at all. If either of those two is behaving like a Townie, it's Jamul: urging everybody to take their time and be careful is really not working in the best interests of the Mafia.

I'm curious about Roland's enthusiasm for protecting Hammered, immediately after being the person who helped make her look suspicious. But with Diginova saying that this conversation definitely took place, I'm moving very close to voting for Hammered. I thought it was against the rules to discuss the game anywhere outside of this thread? And what she posted when she signed up to play chimes with Jamul's version of events. But I would just like to hear Hammered's version of that conversation before I decide about my vote.

As for our 100% lurkers, I don't know how much we can reasonably make of their silence yet. When the last game ended, Chaucer initially suggested that this one wouldn't be starting for 48 hours, so if they haven't been on the forum since then, I'm not sure you can actually call their behaviour 'lurking'.

EDIT: It has just occurred to me that Hammered might be a Jester....

[Ryuinfinity]

I'm not lurking, I'm gamemaking!

[Connor S.]

I've looked over some of the previous games, and digi relies on the dice ALOT, so I will reserve my judgment.
As for the Hammered Jamul thing- doesn't hammered normally post BIG posts when shes townie? Its seems to me that her vote on jamul was mafia-ish for her. Just because your in the same game as him, that makes him Mafia? Wha? I'm thoroughly confused. But I've made to many mistakes in the past, so I won't vote. I'm just saying that she seems not herself.

EDIT1: I really agree with Jamul on one point, we must not waste this lynch! Lets get rid of some of the lurkers now, or at least a couple of hours from now, to give them a chance to contribute. Their just an annoyance! I think we should actually look at the 90% lurkers first. Their the ones that posted just so they wouldn't be called lurkers! Which is more like hiding to me! And last time I checked, hiding was something mafia did.

EDIT2: Hmmm, I couldn't look at the list while writing this, so heres my thoughts on whos the mostish suspicous. Elmikkino and Justin both voted no lynch. Now, since no lynch has been confirmed not available, they still haven't said anything else. It could be they have nothing to say, but still... I really think that if your a townie, you must speak up! We wouldn't want to lose any innocent townies! That would make us lose!

EDIT3: Something just peaked my interest, Justin, one of my suspicous people, is online! I urge you to speak up! Let us know your a townie! We mustn't lynch randomly

[ElMikkino]

Let's check:
Rolling 1d16 / Result: 10
Vote: Mossysox

Sorry, that's what the dice have decided.

I am mafia.

It's not solely based on my role. It's a combination of the host, my role, and my experience.

No mafia here.

It could also be apathy; if you see, I'm signed up on the replacement list.

You are paranoid.

Confusing people is fun.

I have deciphered all of Digi's code, for your convenience. Also, I was here in the morning, but, nothing really seemed to be happening, so I didn't post. Pretty weird things he said....

[Connor S.]

wierd, Elmikkino has posted, which leaves justin, and yet.. He was online earlier and hasn't posted! I say, if your going to join a agme, contribute to it! Hes only slowing it down! And I saw- he WAS online! so he had the opportunity.

The way I see it, theres no more point in waiting, as we know he could have posted by ow, but I wan't to see what my fellow townies think.

[Ryuinfinity]

Let's vote for Mossysox, just to get a lynch.
VOTE:Mossysox

[ElMikkino]

I don't think random-voting is the best option, Ryu. Lets go after the 100% lurkers. We have PCR and Julian. Which one's more suspicious?

[Jamul]

Would it be crazy of me to VOTE: Ryuinfinity? Even if he is townie, I don't think we need THIS kind of help on our side! Ryu seems a better option than any of the lurkers to me.

[ElMikkino]

Ignore my previous post. I didn't see Jamul's post. I now agree with him. VOTE: Ryuinfinity!

PS: Yes, I know that at this moment I am kinda vote-hopping, but as I said in game #24, I just change my mind a lot.

[Wesley]

Aha... Multicolored pompoms... Anyway, all this stuff is making my head spin. Right now, it's a strange Diginova vs. a suspicious Jamul vs. a questionable Hammered vs. 100% lurkers vs. 90% lurkers vs. Ryuinfinity. These are all (Or most, I hate reading big posts) of the people who seem to be options for votes. I'd really like to wait a bit until voting, but I guess voting Ryu is one of the best reasons right now. He voted Mossysox just to move the game along. Lurkers just lurk. They're suspicious, but there's no evidence in favour, or against them. VOTE: Ryuinfinity

[Licking Post]

Let's vote for Mossysox, just to get a lynch.
VOTE:Mossysox
You mean just to get a lynch who's not a mafia? I can't remember anything suspicious Mossysox has done. You just seem eager to lynch a non-mafia. I think I'll VOTE: Ryu, unless you can give a good reason why you voted mossy.

[Connor S.]

Yes, digi voted mossy, the didnt unvote! strange! after that, ryu took HIS chance, and jumped on that would be bandwagon! Its hardly just a dice roll when you dont unvote digi! (unless Im mistaken). I think that if ryu is mafia, digi is probably too, and mossy will most defenitely be town.

vote: ryuinfinity

[Ufo-Man]

Ahh.... Ill Jump on the bandwagon. Vote:Ryuinfinity!!!

[Julian]

Phew. I just saw this topic, havn't been on since before it started. ANyway, that's why I havn't posted anything. I will VOTE: No Lynch, because I don't know what else to do.

EDIT: Just saw the posts after Jamul's last one and unvote and vote Ryu.

[Connor S.]

Er- you only just managed to get to the topic? meh, Ill accept that.

[diginova]

It's 9 votes to lynch. One random vote doesn't mean anything, especially with no discussion like this. And don't read too deep into the "code"... I wasn't actually roleclaiming anything. It's just like people claiming townie day 0.

Fine, if you're really so anti-random vote, I'll just unvote.

I unvoted... but Vote:Ryuinfinity seems like the best idea. Going after Mossysox from my random, dice-decided vote seems like an overeager mafia trying to lynch a townie.

[Ufo-Man]

Hmm.... Just an idea, but what if Jamul is trying to brainwash us into voting off a townie, when he is a mafia, maybe even the GODFATHER!!(dont think about it too hard, it most likely is wrong, but I will be saying "I TOLD YA!!" if I am right)....

[Hammered]

Let's be clear on my position.


I often post long posts, so long that some people don't even read them, but they should, because they are loaded with logical explanations for whatever I am doing.
I rarely post long posts on day #1. Why is that? There is almost never any evidence on day #1.
The person who I am the most suspicious of on day one is usually the smartest other player. (For the record, this is often Coolguy.) Why? Because a good host will not put all of the best players on the same team.
I was continuing in that tradition, which I always do. Barring any reasonable evidence (and therefore having not much to go on), as is common on day #1, I suspected Jamul, being that he is a very smart player, and I thought a smart host wouldn't have put us on the same side. Without any other reasonable evidence, I was forced to fall back on that strategy.
I may have expressed a certain degree of trepidation in the chat room at being trapped in a huge game being run by someone who had perhaps made a few mistakes in hosting a previous game. That is in no way mafia chatting. I didn't say anything about this game. I only lamented over having signed up for it in the first place. Surely that is not problematic.
Now that more stuff has happened, and I actually do see someone being truly suspicious, I would like to UNVOTE.
Two people have voted for Mossysox, who is also a quality player. Diginova is acting very oddly, so something odd might be happening with him, but Ryuinfinity just straight up randomly voting for a smart player who may not have the advantage of everyone wanting to believe the best of her, like they would for Jamul and me.Therefore, I choose to vote for the most suspicious of those two voters and VOTE: Ryuinfinity.

[Roland]

I don't know whether it is night or not, but Hammered's been acting mighty suspicious. I mean, Ryuinfinity did the exact same thing as he did in Game #24, even though his uber-suspicious style annoys me greatly. I'm extremely tempted to lynch him, but honestly, I'm not so sure.

EDIT: I'm also suspicious of Wesley, who seems to be casting suspicion on Jamul.

[regeneratorizer]

[SNIP]EDIT: This is 100% not possible! There was no night!
[SNIP]
EDIT: This is 100% not possible! There was no night![SNIP]


Of course, since there has never been a night, nobody can be either mind-controlled of vote-controlled. I am highly suspicious of anyone who would advance those theories. [SNIP]

[SNIP] But thanks for reminding us that there wasn't night! I completely forgot! I'll edit my previous post.
[SNIP]

Somewhere in England, a kitten cries. Grr, its really annoying when nobody pays any attention to you. Really. Annoying.

I guess I can pretty much say anything, and nobody would notice(Whoa, DeJa Vu!)

I am mafia! Mafia am I! Yeah!

Anyways, even though, as I stated in a previous unread post, that I think Digi is mafiascum(Since he is a newbie in what I excell at - mafia claiming. I can see these things!), I'll go ahead and VOTE TO LYNCH: RYU!, since everyone seems to be jumping on the jamul=bandwagon(Doublebonded, of course.)

[Mossysox]

I'm a little unhappy about doing this, given that I think Regen could easily be right about Diginova (Yay! somebody noticed!), and Diginova has voted this way too, but I'm going to go with the pompom-waving, weird-acting player and VOTE: Ryuinfinity.

EDIT: which I've just realized is over-kill. Counting first would have been a much better idea!

[Julian]

The vote has been confirmed, no more talking! Also, this topic should be stickied.

[chaucer]

The lynch is decided. The role is coming.

Everyone gathered around. Chaucer was building up a big spell. It shot out a black hole, right at Ryuinfinity, but just before he was sucked in, he grabbed Mossysox, and they were sucked into oblivion.

You are...

The Revenger!:
If you are killed, you will automatically kill the person who killed you. If you are lynched, you kill the last person to vote you. You win when all of the mafia are dead.

Good luck!

You are...

The Self Proclaimed Assasin:
Each night, you can choose to kill someone should you desire. You win when all the Black Mages are gone.

It is Night 1! Night action people, send in your PMs!

[chaucer]

As Julian stood outside, wondering what TOWN's fate was to be, he suddenly thought how odd it was that a group of black mages was coming towards him. Then, they threw a net (a magic net!) over Julian, and threw him into the sky. He landed right on the starry sky, then became a constelation (a magic constelation!). Now, whenever you look up, you may notice a slightly ice cream shaped star pattern in the sky.

You are...

Vanilla Mage:
You are a member of TOWN with no awesome powers whatsoever. Vote to lynch the mafia, and try to get rid of them all!

Good luck!

Julian, Ryuinfinity, and Mossysox get last gasps as long as they are posted before the end of Day 2.

List of players:
CheeseLord
Connor S.
Diginova
ElMikkino
Hammered
Jamul
Justin
Licking Post
PlasmaCannonsRule
Regeneratorizer
Roland
Ufo-Man
Wesley

List of dead players:
Julian-Constelationalized, Night 1.
Mossysox-Revengerized, Day 1
Ryuinfinity-Black Hole'd, Day 1

It is Day 2! Post what you will, and vote off who you desire. There are 13 players, so it's 7 votes to lynch.

[Ufo-Man]

hm....
this is odd that they took Julian (in my eyes)
well we may all go some time (I hope not!)

[CheeseLord]

Strange choice for a night kill. It probably means either:
The mafia want to frame the better players
There is a switching role or
The godfather doesn't like Julian
Considering the theme of this game, I would say the second is the most likely possibility. Also, my internet has been acting oddly, so if I start to lurk, it's not my fault.

[Connor S.]

In my opinion, it all just seems like random killing! He was completekly vanilla, and actually did absolutely nothing to help the town, so why did they do it? no reason in my opinion. but anyways.

I just saw cheeselords post. I think The first is possible, and the second likely, but I don't know many people that know julian at all, (that I'm aware of) so I don't see how the third is possible.

In all, I really just think that it was entierely random. now, as for the double lynch... Bad luck loosing the vigilante! That would have been useful, but of course, we never got to use the power.

Just noticed somehting. Mossy was the Vig, and Digi tryed to start a badnwagon on her... Maybe he is mafia trying to lynch mossy out before he could use his power? just a thought.

After that double devastating death, I think we should be more careful about our votes, and go about them slowly. Think it through people! Mafia like speed! so lets be logical. I'll wauit to vote, but I have my eyes on you, digi!

[Jamul]

Diginova trying to kill Mossysox for being a vigilante (Mossysox is a woman by the way!) is as unlikely as mind control - there was no night before that day, so even if Digi was a mafia cop, he had no opportunity to inspect.

So... anybody got anything juicy today?

[Wesley]

Ryu still managed to take out Mossysox at the last moment...

Anyway...

EDIT: I'm also suspicious of Wesley, who seems to be casting suspicion on Jamul.

When did I say I was suspicious of him? Okay, don't quote me, I know where I said it. But, I meant that because a couple other people were suspicious of him. I was just laying out all of the possibilities of who I could have voted for, using what other people had said.

[Connor S.]

Meh. I had the slight vision of a mafia day cop, but that would be a little unlikely to say the elast. Anyways, I guess with the little evedince we have, we should look at everyones reactions to the double lynch and kill so far, meaning Ufo-, Cheesy, jamul and I.

Ufo- pretty staright forward. no mafianess there. Cheeselord... hmmm reading into it much?

I have to go. Ill edit my post about me and jamul later.

[CheeseLord]

I don't know many people that know julian at all, (that I'm aware of) so I don't see how the third is possible.
You do know who hosted the previous game, right? And why do you think my reading into the kill is suspicious?

[Julian]

ARGH! Now THIS is annoying. Connor was joking about being mafia and killing me and now I am dead!

[diginova]

I hope the doctor will protect me after this, but it's worth it to me to get a mafia off my hands.

I am a cop, that has a chance to see the PM of the player, making it unlikely that I'm insane. I inspected Hammered last night, since she seemed the most suspicious day 1, and got SCUM! There is a high chance that Hammered is mafia.

I say, let's hammer Hammered!
Vote: Hammered

And doctor, if we have one, please protect me tonight.

Edit:

Connor:
After that double devastating death, I think we should be more careful about our votes, and go about them slowly. Think it through people! Mafia like speed! so lets be logical. I'll wauit to vote, but I have my eyes on you, digi!
That vote was completely random, and I unvoted before anyone even had a chance to join the bandwagon. I'm on enough that I can get in and revert my vote quickly enough if it starts a bandwagon, especially since it was 9 to lynch.

[PlasmaCannonsRule]

Whoa, sorry about lurking! Anyhow, I, unfortunately, have nothing else to say. I'll speak up when I do.

[CheeseLord]

I would agree that Hammered seems a bit suspicious, but at the moment I don't trust digi enough to vote.

[Jamul]

Um... were Julian and Connor involved in ANOTHER case of mafia chatting here? Or was that a reference back to the original situation a game or two ago?

I do somewhat trust Digi on this for one simple reason - I have learned through lots of mafia chat (not my own! I have not mafia chatted! Let me make that very clear! But for some reason, multiple people have approached me in chat and given me information before I could say no. I don't know if this is how games normally go, but it's insane! People, keep it in the thread!). Okay, lemme restart that sentence since it got parenthesized to death.

I have been told in mafia chat that Digi has the power to read role PMs. Now, it could be that this was a ploy by him, and this current post of his is the continuation of that ploy. I don't know that. But that is what I was told by people I won't tattle on, and it fits.

I'm hesitant to follow that lead, but there's a little more information on the topic for you all to digest. I guess if nothing else, we can (maybe?) presume that one or the other is mafia - Digi is either lying, or not. Or then again, maybe he is an insane cop. That seems least likely though, since he said he has the power to read role PMs. That would be really weird if he was insane (would it just show him the wrong PM?).

Unfortunately, both of the people involved acted totally insane yesterday, so I don't think their behavior is going to be a clue at this point.

[Jamul]

Wait, I just want to clarify the possibilities in my post:

1 - Diginova is lying to frame Hammered. Result: Diginova is mafia, Hammered is town.
2 - Diginova is being truthful.
- 2A - He is a normal cop (with PM-reading powers). Result: Hammered is mafia, Diginova is town.
- 2B - He is an insane cop (he mentioned chance - maybe there's a chance he gets the real PM, otherwise he gets a reversed result? Odd concept). Result: both are town.

I guess one question would be this: Diginova, did you get a role PM, or just the "SCUM!" result?

[diginova]

I did not get a role PM on this investigation... I have a chance of getting a result, and a chance of getting a role PM.

It just said
Hammered is...
A mafia.
I realize I acted strangely yesterday, but after seeing responses to my apathy, I decided it would actually be best to help the town in any way I could. And other than the joke claim, what made me suspicious?

[Connor S.]

I agree with jamul, in that if ones town, the other is mafia, and vice-versa. But I'm not sure who is more suspicous. They were both pretty crazy yesterday... so I will wait. hmmm

Lets see what some of the lurkers have to say. They might be able to help. And justin hasn't posted ALL GAME! as far as I know. Plus I rememebr him being online at one point, so he doesn't have an excuse. but yah. SPEAK UP!

EDIT: Theres a chance digi gets an insane inspection when he gets the result only, but a sane one when he gets the pm. Like, a 50% insane cop, 50% sane, but I doubt it, to strange of a role. So unless digi is lieing, which we're defenitely not ruling out yet, hammered must be mafia.

EDIT2: This just occured to me. note, this isn't likely, but I want to include ALL possibilities. Its quite possible digi is not a cop, but faking, and that both him AND hammered are mafia, in some plot to make each other look innoecent should one die, well at the same time not being TOO extreme to get the other person lynched. again, not likely, but possible.

[chaucer]

Because this has occured, I will ask: has there been any mafia chatting occuring during this game?

[Connor S.]

none from moi.

[Licking Post]

Because this has occured, I will ask: has there been any mafia chatting occuring during this game?
Because what has occurred?

[ElMikkino]

There doesn't seem to be really that much going on now, so I'll just wait until something happens.

[Hammered]

Alright, now I am just insulted.

I didn't even really want to play in this game and was only doing it to get the game started, and now it seems I have been made either a miller or I am being framed. So I will help you all out with a role claim of my own. I am a mason. My two fellow masons can back me up. Digi is either lying or insane. I vote lying and I Vote: Diginova. Sorry I am not making this as long as my usual post, but everyone has beaten the ridiculous diginova posts of day #1 to death already.

[Roland]

Don't vote anybody yet! Just don't do anything! Wait until her supposed masons claim to exist.

[Hammered]

My "supposed'' masons do exist.

To imply otherwise is extremely insulting. Here is why:

If I am really a mafia (I'm not, this is just for sake of argument), I could get my fellow mafia to go along with this ruse, but it would give most of the team away just to prove it. Obviously this is an unsound tactic. I never do unsound tactics.

If I am really a townie, but not a mason, nobody is ever going to speak up to back me up, so it would be a completely wacky role-claim. I would be lynched (as if diginova's ridiculous inspection frame was not bad enough). It would be totally pointless to do this. I never make unsound moves of that nature.

If I am really a mason, my fellow masons will back me up. This is what is going to happen, but I find your wording to be extremely insulting. I do not appreciate your implication that anything but this third choice was something that I would really try.

[Roland]

I'm not claiming you to be stupid if you were mafia, I'm claiming that it IS possible that you are lying!

Say, for example, you are a mafia that makes a *dumb* (not saying you OR the claim are) claim, but then covers up that fact that it's *dumb* by saying that only stupid people something that dumb. It's some sort of reverse-psychology thingamabob, by the looks of it.

...I'm NOT saying that's the case, by the way - Just saying a possibility. And hey, why not wait? You seem to be pressuring the fact that you are a townie and if I don't think you are a townie I am insulting. Why not just wait for confirmation of your mason-ness? You seem awfully reluctant to wait.

...By the way, since they are going to identify themselves anyway, why not release their names now. It has no benefit whatsoever, but I'm just impatient, and it's not detrimental (was that ironic or what? ;)).

[Mossysox]

If I'd only counted the votes before casting mine, this discussion wouldn't be happening - I intended to kill Diginova last night. But it's looking like you'll be heading that way anyway.
I could be wrong, obviously, and Hammered could be a mafia, but can you really see Hammered claiming to be a mason when she isn't? And there is such a thing as a mafia cop, remember.
I would be astonished, and actually appalled if Diginova is a townie cop (how could he be apathetic if he had a power role? :shock:). I'm not going to list all the ways in which he made himself suspicious on Day 1, but remember his certainty that the game is broken?
It's not solely based on my role. It's a combination of the host, my role, and my experience.

New ovoid magic and freedom is a hoax even regarding elves.

Why would Digi's being a townie cop make the game broken? But if he was a Mafia, and knew that Jamul and Hammered were both Townies, he might well think it was bust.
Oh well, guess you'll find out one way or another soon enough - after the other Masons have spoken up, of course....

[ElMikkino]

Come on, masons! Speak up!

[Connor S.]

Unless of course there are no masons, and rolands right, its reverse phsycology, and Hammered is desperately hoping her mafia buddies will back her up. But again, this is HIGHLY unlikely. Just mentioning it for completenss.

[regeneratorizer]

Wow, never noticed how scary Hammered could be. She seems defensive and suspicious; she didn't even mention the possibility that Digi could be insane. She also didn't say a word about how in almost every game with masons, at least one of the masons is a mafia.

So, who's more suspicious, Digi or Hammered? Right now, I'm about balanced on both of them. Lets discuss this a little bit more.

[Jamul]

I agree with Regen that it could go either way. But if these mason buddies come forward (I presume they will... still waiting!), then I think we have to go with her side. Unless Diginova turns out to be a townie, in which case, we've caught a mafia mason! Either way, we get a mafia. The odds favor it being Diginova, by my reckoning. The stuff Mossysox said makes sense. Of course, on the flip side, Hammered seems to be taking this situation very personally, which suggests to me that she feels backed into a corner.

Still, I am going with Diginova, assuming the masons speak up (as Hammered explained, she'd be pretty crazy to try this otherwise). If he's a townie, I know who's mafia!


...By the way, since they are going to identify themselves anyway, why not release their names now. It has no benefit whatsoever, but I'm just impatient, and it's not detrimental (was that ironic or what? ;)).

However, I want to make sure this post doesn't get missed. How's this for the most suspicious post of the thread? Well, okay, the most suspicious post that doesn't actually contain something like "Indigo Animals Might Automatically Find Indian Axes". Roland keeps moving up my list, though that's a discussion for another day - we've got bigger issues at the moment, and this is just suspicious talk, not real evidence.

[Hammered]

I really didn't even want to be in this game, but it would be unfair to the rest of you who signed up not to do my best to help the town. (Not to mention the fact that I would be breaking my own rule.) Now, factor that in with everyone being suspicious of me and you will see why I might be a tad on the defensive side: I really don't want to play, but I am trying my best anyways, and people are making up stuff that is absolutely ridiculous to accuse me and make me look not only evil, but idiotic as well. Of course I am annoyed.

I never suggested that you people shouldn't wait for confirmation from my fellow masons; I said that, of course, it would be forthcoming, because it would be the sort of lie that only an intellectually challenged person would make up, and I think most of you know that I am not a member of that particular group.

Wow! Someone addressed Regen's point. Somebody actually does read what he says! Now for another amazing feat:

Regarding Regen's point that diginova could be insane, that could never explain his outrageous behavior earlier. Think about it: a cop deliberately trying to get himself lynched! Why would anyone do that? Someone did do that once. What was that guy's name again? Oh yeah! I remember now! It was you, Regen! That was the final straw in tolerating random, irrelevant behavior, if I recall correctly. A cop wouldn't suicide. It would be too unfair. He wouldn't do it because he was insane, either, because he wouldn't know that on the first day, and even knowing it wouldn't be a good reason, all you have to do is report your findings backwards, once you know.

So you have a person claiming to be a cop, but who acted completely unlike a cop, or a person claiming to be a mason, whose claim can be easily proved by waiting. That person's claim could be easily refuted, so she wouldn't have made it unless she was telling the truth or was very foolish. It is known that she is not foolish. You can decide which is the more likely case.

One other thing I have been meaning to mention: Chaucer made a huge mistake. The bomb should have struck the person who cast the final vote that lynched the bomb, not the final person that voted. The town should still have the services of the vigilante, and should not have the services of the person who cast the kill vote, which was, in fact, me. It is too late for this to be corrected now, because the role was already revealed, but it points out another reason why people might want to think twice before posting after the kill vote, but before the end of day has been announced. If Mossy had not done so, she would still be alive, and Regeneratorizer would have been killed by Chaucer's mistake. If they had both remained quiet, as they should have, they both would be alive, and I would be dead. It seems that circumstances are conspiring to keep me with you. :mrgreen: Maybe somebody up there knows you guys need me. :roll:

I know I am a mason, so there is no need for me to wait. You all know the odds, but you can vote now or wait for my fellow masons to speak up. I don't really care. The wait drags out the game a little longer.

Also, to those who say I seem defensive, everyone who is accused of being mafia defends themselves, even real mafia. Townies are more offended by the accusation, because they don't deserve it. Townies who don't even want to be in the game, but are still trying to help are even more annoyed, especially when they are now in the game only because the host made a big mistake, and they are still trying to help. If you guys would quit making me post stuff to defend myself, we could work on finding the real mafia. I am pretty good at that, so you might want to leave me in this game. Think about what sort of characters might want me out of the game when people post against me.

[Licking Post]

Sorry I didn't post earlier, I've been really busy. So anyway, I'm here to back up Hammered. I am one of her fellow masons.

[diginova]

My actions on day one were just me trying to get myself lynched, since I didn't want to be in the game. I then later realized that I should help the town however I could, even though there is a high possibility that the rest of the game would be broken.

I am doing the same as Hammered said; after the joke mafia claim, I've been helping the town. And I may be insane or paranoid, but I don't think a paranoid cop will be able to see role PMs. I would wait for her claim that she is a mason to be proven though, before taking any action.

AboutRegarding Regen's point that diginova could be insane, that could never explain his outrageous behavior earlier. Think about it: a cop deliberately trying to get himself lynched! Why would anyone do that? Someone did do that once. What was that guy's name again? Oh yeah! I remember now! It was you, Regen! That was the final straw in tolerating random, irrelevant behavior, if I recall correctly. A cop wouldn't suicide. It would be too unfair. He wouldn't do it because he was insane, either, because he wouldn't know that on the first day, and even knowing it wouldn't be a good reason, all you have to do is report your findings backwards, once you know.
I am a power role, and I made some extremely stupid moves. In the beginning, when I realized that the smartest players wanted out of the game, I had given up, and was trying to get myself out of the game no matter what. Also, it's finals week next week, so I'll have no way to put as much time into Mafia as I wanted.

I realize that it makes me very suspicious because of my earlier actions, and thus I openly apologize to the town for being an idiot earlier.

Edit: got ninja'd
So i'm insane. Rather ironic considering my earlier insane posts.

Unvote: Hammered

[Hammered]

Excuse me, but what do you mean if I am proven a mason? Isn't that the post of one of my fellow masons immediately above you?

[diginova]

I got ninja'd while I was waiting for my router to reset.
To repeat, I unvote.

There are three possible outcomes:
1. Hammered is a mafia mason, and my result is correct.
2. Hammered is a townie mason, and I'm insane.
3. Hammered is a townie mason, and I'm paranoid.

I'm not sure about which one is correct, so I'll inspect someone that is proven townie and see.
Any suggestions?

[Hammered]

Although it is a waste of an inspection, I suggest inspecting yourself. You know your own alignment without any possible doubt.

[diginova]

That may work. If there are any other suggestions, please tell me. And doc: please protect me tonight.

[Jamul]

Diginova left off obvious (and far and away most likely) possibility 4: he is mafia as Hammered said. We have a mason backup now. I see no reason not to VOTE: Diginova. Am I missing anything? He didn't suspect she'd be able to say she was a mason, he just got really unlucky with his choice of target.

And Hammered, don't sign up if you don't want to play. It's a simple system. At least Diginova's claim is that he got his role and was unhappy with it (yes, must be terrible to be a cop!) and that made him want to quit. If you didn't want to sign up, then don't. The story about me putting pressure on you is absolutely untrue, and I don't know where it came from.


One other thing I have been meaning to mention: Chaucer made a huge mistake. The bomb should have struck the person who cast the final vote that lynched the bomb, not the final person that voted.


I disagree with this. Once people have casted extraneous votes, he has a choice: either apply the bomb to the vote that finished the person, or apply it to people who are (sort of) breaking the game rules. I think what he did is actually better, and it's no different - Mossysox intended to cast a vote for Ryu, so she could have been the last person, depending on who showed up when. If the votes needed had been higher, she would've been the last vote. Doesn't affect the game, and it does punish the unwary. I think that's superior to the actual last-voter idea.

[diginova]

It wasn't my role that made me want to quit. It was the constant insistence in chat that every smart person (sans Jamul) only signed up to play because Hammered did, and then Hammered went saying she didn't want to play. It's not my role, I just don't want a game like what happened last time, where there were dumb players that just made the game not be fun. Playing as best I could and still losing because of stupidity on my own team; I just didn't want the same to happen again.

It probably won't make much difference anymore, but my official roleclaim is The Psychic Mage. I only hope that everyone else realizes the insanity of my original mafia claim and waits off on voting for me.

[Roland]

Okay, let me say something first: Here are the masons revealed so far...

Hammered
Licking Post
???

...Look back at history on Hamumu. There have been 8 games including masons. 6 of those contained 2 people. All of the games in which there were only 2 masons, all of them were townies. However, in Christmas Mafia (Game #5) and Mafia Game #22, the only 2 games to have a group of three masons, there was one evil mason in each of them. Therefore, I put forward the idea that there's a high chance that there is an evil mason. I propose to Hammered or Licking Post to reveal the last member in their group, just to see. You see, a group of three proven-good people is awfully powerful!

...However, after that name is revealed, I'll probably vote Diginova. I'll come back with the evidence after breakfast.

[regeneratorizer]

After breakfast? I find anyone who lives in an alternate timezone to be highly suspicious. The only real time zone is the one I am in, and all who say otherwise are mafia!

Meh, I'm still a little torn.

[Hammered]

Three masons is excessive in a small game. It is not even remotely excessive in a sixteen player game. Every revealed mason makes a guaranteed townie for the mafia to kill instead of one less obvious target. In my opinion, it would be a mistake for the remaining mason to reveal, although I can arrange for that, if necessary. Personally, I think that people who insist on that are like people who suggest that cops reveal themselves so they can be protected, which is to say that they are usually mafia.

[regeneratorizer]

Hammered; I don't think the mafia would kill off a member of a mason group. There is likely a mafia member among you, and they would be dumb to narrow down the choice like that. Dumb like a FOX.

So.. yeah.

[Connor S.]

er... shouldn't digi be modkilled after evealing his role name? It just seems appropriate... unless he's liening, in which case, he WOULDN'T be modkilled, and he ALSO wouldn't be a cop... which would make him mafia! (ok, not neccassarily true, but he seems just so suspicous.)

Anyways, in case he ISN'T modkilled, which I think he should be, I will vote: diginova simply because There is no reason not to.

Lets take a look at this piece of evedince: Hammereds story has been backed up by Licking Post, which makes them townies. (again, not 100% but for this argument we'll say they are) Now, that would obviously make digi a lieer, hm... Mafia lie, don't they? And then, as I said before, theres the role claim.

If Digi IS The Phsycic Mage, then he will be modkilled. (I think)
And if He Isn't, He won't. Now, If he is modkilled, we loose a cop on the fault of himself. If he ISN"'T Modkilled, that should provide us with enough rpoof, when combined with the whole mason thing, so lynch him! So, why not vote him now, so even if he IS townie, he should die anyways!

(Although I personally don't believe he is, considering the other evedince.)

[diginova]

er... shouldn't digi be modkilled after evealing his role name? It just seems appropriate... unless he's liening, in which case, he WOULDN'T be modkilled, and he ALSO wouldn't be a cop... which would make him mafia! (ok, not neccassarily true, but he seems just so suspicous.)

Anyways, in case he ISN'T modkilled, which I think he should be, I will vote: diginova simply because There is no reason not to.

Lets take a look at this piece of evedince: Hammereds story has been backed up by Licking Post, which makes them townies. (again, not 100% but for this argument we'll say they are) Now, that would obviously make digi a lieer, hm... Mafia lie, don't they? And then, as I said before, theres the role claim.

If Digi IS The Phsycic Mage, then he will be modkilled. (I think)
And if He Isn't, He won't. Now, If he is modkilled, we loose a cop on the fault of himself. If he ISN"'T Modkilled, that should provide us with enough rpoof, when combined with the whole mason thing, so lynch him! So, why not vote him now, so even if he IS townie, he should die anyways!

(Although I personally don't believe he is, considering the other evedince.)

Revealing the name of your role is not illegal. Quoting your role PM is, which I never did. It seems like you're rather over-anxious to get a cop out of the game.

[Roland]

Actually I'm not going to edit my post: I'm going to post something new, since it's so huge:

These are all of Diginova's posts:

Let's check:
Rolling 1d16 / Result: 10
Vote: Mossysox

Sorry, that's what the dice have decided.

*Mafia Quote*

It's 9 votes to lynch. One random vote doesn't mean anything, especially with no discussion like this. And don't read too deep into the "code"... I wasn't actually roleclaiming anything. It's just like people claiming townie day 0.

Fine, if you're really so anti-random vote, I'll just unvote.

It's not solely based on my role. It's a combination of the host, my role, and my experience.

*MQ*

It could also be apathy; if you see, I'm signed up on the replacement list.

*MQ*

*MQ*

That's the same reason I'm being apathetic towards this game. I removed my "un-sign me up" request because I saw that Hammered was in the game.

Actually being sane now...

Nobody has really said anything suspicious... all discussion up to this point was on my "quirks"... but it seems like Connor S. was slightly overreacting to the random vote... maybe it could be that he hasn't seen any of my past games, but with 9 votes to lynch, one joke vote at the beginning doesn't mean anything. I also don't know about Hammered's vote... I think that's too much metagaming to justify people jumping on the bandwagon.

I've actually been pretty much lurking, if you consider lurking "not giving any helpful information". I will also corroborate Roland's statement about Hammered's chat talk.

I unvoted... but Vote:Ryuinfinity seems like the best idea. Going after Mossysox from my random, dice-decided vote seems like an overeager mafia trying to lynch a townie.

I hope the doctor will protect me after this, but it's worth it to me to get a mafia off my hands.

I am a cop, that has a chance to see the PM of the player, making it unlikely that I'm insane. I inspected Hammered last night, since she seemed the most suspicious day 1, and got SCUM! There is a high chance that Hammered is mafia.

I say, let's hammer Hammered!
Vote: Hammered

And doctor, if we have one, please protect me tonight.

Edit:

Connor: After that double devastating death, I think we should be more careful about our votes, and go about them slowly. Think it through people! Mafia like speed! so lets be logical. I'll wauit to vote, but I have my eyes on you, digi!
That vote was completely random, and I unvoted before anyone even had a chance to join the bandwagon. I'm on enough that I can get in and revert my vote quickly enough if it starts a bandwagon, especially since it was 9 to lynch.

I did not get a role PM on this investigation... I have a chance of getting a result, and a chance of getting a role PM.

It just saidHammered is...
A mafia.
I realize I acted strangely yesterday, but after seeing responses to my apathy, I decided it would actually be best to help the town in any way I could. And other than the joke claim, what made me suspicious?

My actions on day one were just me trying to get myself lynched, since I didn't want to be in the game. I then later realized that I should help the town however I could, even though there is a high possibility that the rest of the game would be broken.

I am doing the same as Hammered said; after the joke mafia claim, I've been helping the town. And I may be insane or paranoid, but I don't think a paranoid cop will be able to see role PMs. I would wait for her claim that she is a mason to be proven though, before taking any action.

AboutRegarding Regen's point that diginova could be insane, that could never explain his outrageous behavior earlier. Think about it: a cop deliberately trying to get himself lynched! Why would anyone do that? Someone did do that once. What was that guy's name again? Oh yeah! I remember now! It was you, Regen! That was the final straw in tolerating random, irrelevant behavior, if I recall correctly. A cop wouldn't suicide. It would be too unfair. He wouldn't do it because he was insane, either, because he wouldn't know that on the first day, and even knowing it wouldn't be a good reason, all you have to do is report your findings backwards, once you know.
I am a power role, and I made some extremely stupid moves. In the beginning, when I realized that the smartest players wanted out of the game, I had given up, and was trying to get myself out of the game no matter what. Also, it's finals week next week, so I'll have no way to put as much time into Mafia as I wanted.

I realize that it makes me very suspicious because of my earlier actions, and thus I openly apologize to the town for being an idiot earlier.

Edit: got ninja'd
So i'm insane. Rather ironic considering my earlier insane posts.

Unvote: Hammered

That may work. If there are any other suggestions, please tell me. And doc: please protect me tonight.

It wasn't my role that made me want to quit. It was the constant insistence in chat that every smart person (sans Jamul) only signed up to play because Hammered did, and then Hammered went saying she didn't want to play. It's not my role, I just don't want a game like what happened last time, where there were dumb players that just made the game not be fun. Playing as best I could and still losing because of stupidity on my own team; I just didn't want the same to happen again.

It probably won't make much difference anymore, but my official roleclaim is The Psychic Mage. I only hope that everyone else realizes the insanity of my original mafia claim and waits off on voting for me.

...So, the bottom line is: Diginova claims to be a previously mafia-claiming apathetic cop who is insane if Hammered is a town mason. That sounds pretty suspicious, doesn't it?

...However, I propose a different theory - This may not be the right one, by any means, but whatever - My paranoia is fun! What if Hammered is a mafia mason? I say this because:

Despite what Hammered says, I still think there is a mafia mason. And it'd be a brilliant plan - If Diginova dies and gets proven a cop, she will just claim that Diginova was insane (insane-ness does NOT get proven on death, you see) - And still not be suspicious. I also say this because...

Of course, since there has never been a night, nobody can be either mind-controlled of vote-controlled. I am highly suspicious of anyone who would advance those theories. Since Jamul was the first to advance this theory, and since he is smart enough to know better, I suspect Jamul the most. Therefore, even though he will be annoyed by this, VOTE: Jamul.

...Come on! That's really blatantly suspicious. Really.

My vote for Jamul was sincere. No sensible mafia host would put both of us on the same team. Since I am a townie, he must be evil.

He must be evil? Must? If that were so true, why aren't you going after him any more now? This post proves that she was completely sincere and serious about her actions... So it's not joke. Hmmm.

I also find it interesting how Hammered hammered Ryuinfinity (I won't quote it, because I'm runninng out of characters - Stupid 10,000 limit!). Why did she wait until then to vote? Why? She would have been in the chat the whole day, pretty much - And the whole lynching of Ryu took place at a time when she would be awake (though, on the flip side, it WAS a very quick lynch!). I don't think that Ryuinfinity was too suspicious, really - If anybody read even a hint of the previous game, they would be sure that Ryu wasn't as evil as he seemed. EDIT: Whoops! Hammered, I think you took this bit the wrong way - Voting last wasn't suspicious in itself, rather just weird - Why? It seems that you hovered around which I felt because you were active and watching the thread) and only decided to vote last. I don't know, it seemed a bit strange.

Three masons is excessive in a small game. It is not even remotely excessive in a sixteen player game. Every revealed mason makes a guaranteed townie for the mafia to kill instead of one less obvious target. In my opinion, it would be a mistake for the remaining mason to reveal, although I can arrange for that, if necessary. Personally, I think that people who insist on that are like people who suggest that cops reveal themselves so they can be protected, which is to say that they are usually mafia.

Oh, please! Masons are not that powerful! Why are you reluctant? This further backs up the evil mason thing because revealing the last mason gives us a possible suspect list, but still not too bad for the mafia - This is pretty much what Hammered said: That she didn't want to, but she could have it arranged. And that it was suspicious to ask.

...That said, I will probably vote Diginova like the rest of you. I'm more of a lawyer - I don't believe what I say myself!

Oh, and I almost forgot: I told you so about Ryu! Haha! :p

[Connor S.]

AH! I just remembered something I wished to say, but I'm afraid my edit will be lost under rolands gigantic post. Should Digi die and become proven townie, Hammered would most certainly be mafia! well, not definetely, but hey. Shes a mason, masons are more likely to be evil then a regual;r townie is, because there are less, and ONE is garunteed a mafia! Plus digis inspection. I still propose we lynch digi, but if he IS a cop, then hammered would be our next best bet!

[diginova]

Actually, only the first code was a joke mafia roleclaim. All the others that are marked *MQ* are random to mess with people's minds.

It is true I am an apathetic cop, but the only time I claimed mafia was as a joke in the first post, along with a random vote that I do in every game. It's something that I carried over from MafiaScum.

[Hammered]

Roland has once again become the master of flawed logic.

He says that three masons is too uberpowerful. Then he says that masons aren't very powerful and therefore aren't targets.

It is true that that masons aren't the best target for mafia hits. Cops and doctors are better choices. However, if the mafia doesn't know who a town power player is, the best target is a proven townie player, because the town would never vote them out. Without any other basis for choosing a hit, a smart mafia will take out a proven townie over someone who might draw a vote away from a mafia every time. That is why cops should never post inspections of proven townies, unless it appears that a lynch will go against them; there is no point in subjecting these people to hits unless there is a chance to save them from a lynch. The only exception to this is if the cop is killed. At that point, he has only his last gasp to communicate the list of proven townies to us, so he has to do it then.

Now for Roland's other astonishing revelation. The "evil" Hammered has dropped the hammer on an innocent townie. Why did she wait until just the right moment to do it? Why not do it earlier, if she believed that to be the correct action. Well, Roland, you caught me. I wasn't home. I was at work. When I got home from work, I read the topic, decided on the action, and performed the action. How devious of me to stay at work, instead of leaving in the middle of my shift to vote! I must be very evil indeed.

I have an answer for any objection that you can bring. Do you understand that? It is not a problem for me to explain everything. The reason for that is that I am not mafia. There is no devious plot. Can we get on with the game now, please?

There are plenty of people around here who are actually doing suspicious things. Can we make some effort do discuss someone besides me, at least for a little while? Maybe we can actually make some progress.

[Connor S.]

I think he ment masons are powerful if there isn't a mafia mson, as there are therefor three proven townies. Anyways, I am currently not discussing oyu. I am discussing digi. He doesn't seem to reall want to be here.

[Hammered]

It seems we have an example of impressive logic by Connor as well: If we lynch Digi and it turns out he really is a cop, there must be a mafia mason! Actually, if he is really a cop, it just proves that he is an insane or paranoid cop.

Ordinarily, if there is only one cop, then that cop must be a normal cop. If there are multiple cops, then it is fair to include insane or paranoid cops. This suggests that there would be another cop in the game. If that is so, perhaps that other cop would would consider inspecting me tonight, so that there will not be a problem tomorrow, or so that the conspiracy theorists among us can continue to call me evil and also have you to add to their list.

[Connor S.]

What happens if there ISNT another cop though? just asking because i'm confused. there doesnt HAVE to be, does there? :???: :???:

[Hammered]

No, there doesn't have to be another cop. For example, if this was a seriously flawed mafia scheme, there wouldn't be one. This host has created a flawed game in the past, so I suppose that is possible.

[Connor S.]

I see. So.... *wonders if Hammered jut contridicted herself. decides this is impossible :p*

Thanks for answering my question though. I'm not saying the following is true, after all, I believe Digi to be mafia, but just so we include evey possibility...

Is it at all possible that Digi is the one and only cop, chaucer DIDN'T break the game, and that his inspection was true? (again, I don't believe this, Because nof your fellow mason confirming your story. Mafia lie, townies don't.)

[Jamul]

Wow, a billion posts since I left for lunch!


I have an answer for any objection that you can bring. Do you understand that? It is not a problem for me to explain everything. The reason for that is that I am not mafia. There is no devious plot. Can we get on with the game now, please?


I think Hammered is acting really weird/mafia-like. But I also think Diginova is acting really weird. I am absolutely sure ONE of them is mafia. I would say both, because they both are acting like it, but that wouldn't make any sense at all given what they are doing to each other.

So what it comes down to for me is which one is telling the truth. I still think it's Hammered, just because Digi's whole story keeps changing.

Roland said, on day one:

EDIT: In the chat, Diginova said that once his role PM was received, he realised this game was broken. I will ponder this greatly. And Diginova's been claiming on the chat that he's a mafia as well. I will ponder this as well...


Diginova didn't deny this at all, but now he's saying it's not his role that is the problem.


It wasn't my role that made me want to quit.


And since the role he claims to have is "a cop who sometimes gets to the see the role PM", it doesn't even make SENSE that he'd call that a broken role!

He's looking for a way out that people will believe. I think it's all an elaborate ruse, and it has totally fallen apart around his ears, because Hammered turned out to be a mason.

Think on this: if she had been any other role, she would've had NO defense against this except "Nuh-uh! I'm a townie!" And after we lynched her on his word, all he would have had to do was go "D'oh! I must be insane! Well, I inspected X last night and he came up townie, so he must actually be mafia!" That'd be 2 day kills and 2 night kills for the mafia team - totally worth it even if it meant Digi's demise the next day.

Diginova just got very very unlucky with his pick, the one role that has a defense against a cop.

Now, the flipside to this is that he claims he's a cop. If that's true, we lose a cop, which is about the worst loss you can have, I think. But in this case, for me, the evidence is totally overwhelming. Bad luck that he picked a mason.

I super-double-vote Diginova (note, I have no double-voting powers, this is just a wishful super-double vote!)

[Wesley]

WARNING: This is a BIG Post! I'll split it into paragraphs, but I'm not sure if that will help.

Forgive my stupidness (I'm not sure role-claiming as the final mason is the best idea now that Licking Post has role-claimed), but I am also going to role-claim as Hammered's other Mason. (That's right, three masons)

However, I am not going to completely say that Hammered is innocent. It is my belief that Hammered is a Mafia Mason. (Or, possibly Licking Post is a Mafia Mason.) (Colours are fun!) Now, this might come a a complete surprise as I have never said this to Licking Post or to Hammered herself. But, I have some suspicions, and something just doesn't feel right...

NOTE: In a PM I sent to both Masons when the game started, I said it was possible there was a Mafia Mason on our team. However, I never said who was suspicious to me. So, these might effect my thoughts...

Now, Hammered asked me and Licking Post earlier if we had any power roles. I said no. (Because in fact, I don't) Because Hammered wasn't able to talk to me directly at the time, Licking Post asked me himself. Licking Post said that Hammered wanted to know if we had any roles to see if they could help us. A couple of things could have happened here...

1. Hammered did indeed want to know if we had any roles to see if they could help us. (Townie Hammered, Townie/Mafia Licking Post)

2. Hammered wanted to know, but only to see if we had any value. If we had a powerful role, the mafia could kill us. However, this could lead to a couple of results:

a) She didn't think that Licking Post or I would get the connection, and we'd waste our Last Gasps.

b) She thought we might get the connection, but it was worth it if one of us was a big enough power role.

Ether way, this leads to a... Mafia Hammered, and a Townie Licking Post.

However, it is also possible (Though less likely) that Hammered didn't want to know that, (At least at that time) but it was Licking Post who wanted to know it, using Hammered as a cover to make the question seem less suspicious. (Hammered is a clever and careful mafia player, so it would seem natural for her to ask this)

A couple more things could have happened here...

1. Licking Post was curious, but he was scared of being accused as a mafia mason. So, saying that Hammered wanted to know, he asked me if I had any power roles. (Townie Licking Post, Townie/Mafia Hammered (It is still possible even without her asking, as I'm going to say below))

2. Licking Post wanted to know if I had a role, so he could tell his mafia buddies, but thought if he asked me himself, I might get suspicious. So, he said Hammered wanted to know if I had a role. (Mafia Licking Post, Townie Hammered)

Of course, there's also a final thing that could be going on...

I am being very, very paranoid, and it was very dumb for me to have role-claimed. (I'm a very misguided townie, and my masons are also townies)

This has to be one of the longest posts I have ever written. I'm sure I have more to say, but I'm having writer's block. I'll post again later if I think of anything.

[ElMikkino]

I do not know to vote either Hammered, Diginova, or Licking Post. But, I do want this day to end soon! It's gone on for a REALLY long time!

[CheeseLord]

I think it's quite possible that both Diginova and Hammered are mafia, accusing each other in order to have an "I found a mafia" defense. The way they've been playing, this is not too improbable. Of course, I could be, and probably am, horribly wrong about this, and we stand to lose either a mason or an insane/paranoid cop from this. Nonetheless, it's an option to consider.

[Connor S.]

All I can say is, now that wes has posted as the third mason, unless hammered is the mafia mason, shes definetely townie. same gos for licking post. I think the townies best bet right now is to vote digi. All we have for proof that hes townie right now is a claim, which may be flase. Whereas on the other side, we have THREE claims! I think its clear as to who is most likely lieing, but I could be wrong.

EDIT: Just saw cheese lords post. Mafia typically don't outright accuse people, they might hammer a fellow mafia if it looks like their going to die anyways, but they wouldn't start a bandwgaon on them! that would be the dumbest mafia ever. And hammered isn't dumb. No,

[Wesley]

I'm just posting about my last post. At first, it was my intention of voting Diginova. If he was a cop:

Hammered is Mafia. Licking Post is Town.

If he was an insane cop:

Hammered is Town. Licking Post is Town/Mafia.

If he was lying about being a cop:

Hammered is Mafia/Town. Licking Post is Town/Mafia.

But, now that I think of it, as I have no idea of what the results may be, I'm not sure killing our possibly only cop is worth it. Then again...

[CheeseLord]

unless hammered is the mafia mason, shes definetely townie
I suppose someone is going to have to say something about this...

[diginova]

I openly apologize to the town, as my over-reaction to Hammered's reluctance and my looking at the role as if it had to be broken have cost you a cop. I am sorry for this, and I never even got to figure out if I was sane or not. Oh well, that's the lynch, and it's night, so I think this counts as a gasp.

[Connor S.]

I dont see whats so suspicous about it, its true. :roll:

EDIT: I dont understand digis last post. he isnt dead yet, is he? if not, can we get a vote coutn chaucer?

[chaucer]

Diginova is not lynched yet, it's 7 to lynch, not 4!

[CheeseLord]

Seeing as he isn't dead yet, I find digi's post very strange. From the way it's written, I'm reasonably sure he really thought he was dead, meaning the he is actually a cop. I don't think anyone would be crazy enough to post an early last gasp, but then, I've been wrong before.

[Connor S.]

I dont see how his strange post looks like a cop! to me it looks like a player accepting defeat, but I agree he genuinelly thought he was dead. strange isn't it?

[Ufo-Man]

ok, i am just going to hope i am right, but.....Vote: Digi
I HOPE this is not wrong.
If it is, it will be like I was hit in the belly

[Licking Post]

I don't want to believe Hammered is mafia. I know she's a mason, and I'm pretty sure she's not a mafia mason. How do we even know there is a mafia mason? She just doesn't seem mafia to me. And digi has been very suspicious lately, so I think I'll VOTE: Diginova.

[regeneratorizer]

Have I VOTED: DIGINOVA Yet? I can't remember. If not, I do. Now. Yeah.

[CheeseLord]

Despite my skepticism, I think I'll have to Vote: diginova. And I'm pretty sure that makes 7 votes, so this time, he's really dead.

[Connor S.]

yes, thats a confirmed lynch. which means no one talk! (OHNOES! last time some one other than hammered did this, they got mafiad!)

[diginova]

whoops... posted in night

[chaucer]

As TOWN decided that Diginova was a black mage, they were all getting ready to destructify him, but Chaucer suddenly said "Nay!" and, because the TOWN was obliged to obey him, Diginova was not lynched.

It is Night 2! Night action people, please send in your PMs quickly. Day starts in 48 hours if all PMs have not been received by then.

[chaucer]

Four figures crept throught the village, towards Justin's house. They got out a bottle of Mega Uber Hot Sauce(TM) and poured it all over Justin's house. As it caught fire, Justin panicked and ran deep, deep into the woods, never to be seen again.

You are...

Vanilla Mage!
You are a normal member of TOWN, and your only power is the almighty vote. You win when all the mafia are gone.

As well, a mysterious person walked up to Hamered, who was randomly standing outside, waving goodbye to two people who were leaving. The person got out a box with a mysterious red pattern on the side. He opened it up to find that there were litttle sticks with red tips inside. He took one out, and accidentaly rubbed it against the red pattern. The tip caught fire and he panicked, and threw it out over a cliff, onto the trampoline fields. Hammered ran to catch the match so it wouldn't set the trampolines on fire, but, although she caught it, she started bouncing away, also never to be seen again.


You are...

The Wisest Mage:
You are the personal assistant to Chaucer, played by ???. You may converse with him/her either in the chat or by PM, as well as with ???, who is also a mason.


It is Day 3! There are 12 players alive, so it takes 7 votes to lynch.

List of players:
CheeseLord
Connor S.
Diginova
ElMikkino
Jamul
Licking Post
PlasmaCannonsRule
Regeneratorizer
Roland
Ufo-Man
Wesley

List of dead players:
Hammered-Bounced to Infinity, Night 2.
Julian-Constelationalized, Night 1.
Justin-Lost in the Woods, Night 2
Mossysox-Revengerized, Day 1.
Ryuinfinity-Black Hole'd, Day 1.

[diginova]

Poor Hammered. I inspected myself to prove my sanity, and it seems that I am mafia. Thus, I am insane, at least when I don't get PMs; I'm not sure about what happens if I do.

There are 4 mafia left, and a maximum of 7 townies, since there is obviously a third side. At this rate, it will be LoL tomorrow if we mislynch... so let's lay out all the evidence before lynching today.

[Connor S.]

Strange that chaucer would make himself a role. And whats with two people dieing? We obviously have a second vigilante... :shock: wierd! Or maybe an inventor? meh. I'm probably reading into this to much. Post what you think, my fellow townies!

EDIT: Just saw digis post. What makes you think julian saved you? he was dead! Meh. It seems we have a governor. anyways, I do agree with one thing, we have to think carefully before the lynch! we cant let the mafia rush us into a fast lynch no a townie!

[diginova]

edit old post: I thought it said Julian saved me.

Correction: Thanks, chaucer!

[Jamul]

Well, here's evidence #1 - Diginova is still mafia. We have the word of one person that he's not: himself. That's not convincing me! He didn't even have to come up with the scheme of 'proving' himself insane... we did it for him yesterday! I think we had a mafia lynch yesterday and it got blocked. Every piece of evidence from yesterday is exactly as valid today as it was then.

Is our real cop a lurker, or do we have some information here? I want to hear gasps from the dead, and input from anybody else who has found anything out. What you got, people? Diginova was definitely right about one thing: it's coming down to the wire.

The only mystery is what stopped Digi from being lynched. I guess we have a mayor?

I won't vote anybody until I hear what people have to say.

[CheeseLord]

I don't think digi could be mafia. If there were a governor, he would have had to know beforehand in order to come up with the scheme of pretending he was sure he was dead. If he were a mafia cop, and had already inspected someone who came up as a governor, then his inspection of Hammered would have been made up. I suppose he could have come up with something like that, but the odds are significantly against it.

As for Hammered's nightkill, it appears to me that there is probably an inventor out there. There couldn't be a vigilante, as one has already died and there wouldn't be two, and there probably isn't a SK, as there wasn't a kill the first night. That just leaves an inventor with a killing power.

[Jamul]

Where did you get the idea that pretending he thought was dead had anything to do with the governor? Is it really called a governor? I could've sworn it was mayor! Diginova did not need to know he would actually end up living in order to pretend he thought he was dead. It's having the intended effect on you - you think he's innocent because he 'accidentally' gasped in a townie way. That's a pretty huge mistake to make, being off by 4 votes.

And this is Diginova, the first person I ever saw use the term "L-1" (same with LoL, in the non-laughing sense). I didn't even know what it meant at the time! He keeps careful track of this stuff. He absolutely knew he was nowhere near death. To me, that 'gasp' was better evidence for him being a mafia than vice versa. I'm still willing to consider his innocence, but the evidence is just insanely (pardon the pun) overwhelming at this point! I don't see any reason the idea of a mafia cop even enters into it. He may have some power, who knows, but it didn't take any powers to do what he has done. Unless he's an actual townie cop, of course his Hammered inspection is made up!

We can only presume that the governor is someone who disagrees with that idea, and I guess there's no fighting that. If the governor really wants Digi to stay around, then he's not lynchable. So I would entertain other ideas as well. But you guys watch when this game is done - Digi is bad. I've never seen a more concrete set of evidence in a mafia game!

Anyway, on that other suspects front, I will await gasps and hopefully inspections.

[Connor S.]

I dont understand what your saying abotu digi. Its still perfectly possible for him to be mafia. A governor is town, and they protect mafia and town alike!

[CheeseLord]

But digi wouldn't have lied about being a cop after he was dead unless he knew there was a governor.

[Jamul]

You missed my point - he said that BEFORE he was dead. He KNEW he wasn't dead, because he keeps very careful track of stuff like this. Read previous games, he's always all over the vote count. He said it so people would say exactly what you are saying (but yesterday, before he did get lynched)! So people would say "well, he wouldn't have said that if he thought he was dead, he's clearly a goodguy!" Then they'd unvote him, and he'd be a 'known cop' the rest of the game. It's not like he had anything to lose by taking the chance.

Does that make sense? It's a lot more likely than that he was SO far off on the vote count. Nobody else has ever made that mistake on this forum. People have overvoted, but nobody (I think? I sure can't remember it) has ever gasped before they were lynched. It would only happen if you weren't paying any attention to the game. Count up Diginova's posts replying to people yesterday and try to tell me he wasn't paying attention!

[regeneratorizer]

An idea to toss around: the lynch stopper is mafia also. I'm almost sure of this. Especially since he last-gasped again after the last vote was cast.

[Connor S.]

Are you suggesting Chaucer is Mafia regen?

[regeneratorizer]

No no, I am suggesting that not only is Chaucer mafia, ALL of you are mafia! And are out to get me! *Locks self in shed. And seals magically. With black magic. Oh yeah.*

[ElMikkino]

I agree that there is a Prostitute (mafia roleblocker) on the mafia team, but that might make this game broken.

EDIT not about above: The way I see it, here are the possibilities of digi:

1. He is mafia, and he is doing a very bad job at being one.
2. He is an insane cop who can read role PMs.
3. He is a mafia cop, and he lied about Hammered being scum.
4. He's a Jester, trying as hard as he can to get himself killed.

Possibility of #1: 45%
#2: 15%
#3: 20%
#4: 20%

That's just my opinion, though.

DOUBLE EDIT: That's weird...I thought someone proposed a Prostitute....well, they might have edited while I was posting. Still, it might be what happened.

[Connor S.]

Who are you agreeing with? as far as I can see, it looks liek you came up with the notion just now, and it makes no sense as to why.

[CheeseLord]

You missed my point - he said that BEFORE he was dead.
I'm not sure why he said it before he was dead, which is why I voted him the first time, but the fact that he said it after he died would imply that he knew there was a governor who would save him. This means either he is a mafia cop, which I discussed earlier, or the governor is mafia. That would make the game incredibly broken, as the governor could keep all of the mafia from being killed once, so I don't believe that's the case either. That means that digi is, in my mind, just a paranoid/insane cop, who happens to be acting very oddly.

[Roland]

Right now there are two people I find suspicious:

Ufo-Man - He was one of the few people to both vote Ryuinfinity and Diginova (who I believe to be a townie, but that's just me):

Ahh.... Ill Jump on the bandwagon. Vote:Ryuinfinity!!!

ok, i am just going to hope i am right, but.....Vote: Digi
I HOPE this is not wrong.
If it is, it will be like I was hit in the belly

Apart from this, there is some evidence suggesting he could be the Godfather...

Hmm.... Just an idea, but what if Jamul is trying to brainwash us into voting off a townie, when he is a mafia, maybe even the GODFATHER!!(dont think about it too hard, it most likely is wrong, but I will be saying "I TOLD YA!!" if I am right)....

This is the only mention of Godfather the whole game. So, you know.

hm....
this is odd that they took Julian (in my eyes)
well we may all go some time (I hope not!)

He was the first to post on Day #2, and posted somewhere else on the forum before that, making me think he was the last person to get their PM in. Also, you'll notice how he pondered about the kill, which is sent by the Godfather!

Also, the kills look kind of inexperienced in my eyes. And the only newbie still alive is Ufo-Man; Everybody else has played at least one game (and only one other alive person has played 2 games or less (Licking Post), so the other people are quite experienced indeed).

...So, I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is the Godfather - In my opinion, he's either the Godfather, or a townie (with PM's, maybe?)

Jamul - I really hoped I would never say this, but Jamul is suspicious.

I find that in most mafia games, the first lynch is based on "boy, he's acting weird, get him!", and 99% of the time that's a townie who just happens to have done something weird. I am looking for the people who are being sneaky and subtle, not the ones who are flailing multicolored pompoms around. I'm going to be more interested in lynching a lurker than someone who is boldly asking for a lynch.

I totally agree with him on this - However...

Would it be crazy of me to VOTE: Ryuinfinity? Even if he is townie, I don't think we need THIS kind of help on our side! Ryu seems a better option than any of the lurkers to me.

Notice how he was then the first one to vote Ryuinfinity? Ryuinfinity was a classic example of somebody shouting to be lynched (not in the literal, Diginova sense, though :p)! It's either hypocritical (from Jamul? He's too good!), or it's just plain old mafia behaviour: Lynching townies is top priority!

Wait, I just want to clarify the possibilities in my post:

1 - Diginova is lying to frame Hammered. Result: Diginova is mafia, Hammered is town.
2 - Diginova is being truthful.
- 2A - He is a normal cop (with PM-reading powers). Result: Hammered is mafia, Diginova is town.
- 2B - He is an insane cop (he mentioned chance - maybe there's a chance he gets the real PM, otherwise he gets a reversed result? Odd concept). Result: both are town.

I guess one question would be this: Diginova, did you get a role PM, or just the "SCUM!" result?

This is a great opportunity for a mafia... Two very suspicious townies! And, most of the possible outcomes end up with either one of them being mafia! A good incentive to lynch them...

I agree with Regen that it could go either way. But if these mason buddies come forward (I presume they will... still waiting!), then I think we have to go with her side. Unless Diginova turns out to be a townie, in which case, we've caught a mafia mason! Either way, we get a mafia. The odds favor it being Diginova, by my reckoning. The stuff Mossysox said makes sense. Of course, on the flip side, Hammered seems to be taking this situation very personally, which suggests to me that she feels backed into a corner.

Still, I am going with Diginova, assuming the masons speak up (as Hammered explained, she'd be pretty crazy to try this otherwise). If he's a townie, I know who's mafia!

*Excerpt from one of my posts*

However, I want to make sure this post doesn't get missed. How's this for the most suspicious post of the thread? Well, okay, the most suspicious post that doesn't actually contain something like "Indigo Animals Might Automatically Find Indian Axes". Roland keeps moving up my list, though that's a discussion for another day - we've got bigger issues at the moment, and this is just suspicious talk, not real evidence.

This post continues with that mindset, while accusing me. Okay, what I said sounded suspicious, but what I meant was that Hammered could have claimed her masons NOW, rather than us having to wait. It wouldn't have made a difference, because if she were lying, then the masons that weren't masons would just claim that she was a liar! I suppose it did sound a bit suspect, though.

Diginova left off obvious (and far and away most likely) possibility 4: he is mafia as Hammered said. We have a mason backup now. I see no reason not to VOTE: Diginova. Am I missing anything? He didn't suspect she'd be able to say she was a mason, he just got really unlucky with his choice of target.

And Hammered, don't sign up if you don't want to play. It's a simple system. At least Diginova's claim is that he got his role and was unhappy with it (yes, must be terrible to be a cop!) and that made him want to quit. If you didn't want to sign up, then don't. The story about me putting pressure on you is absolutely untrue, and I don't know where it came from.

*Some quote*

[...Something else unrelated]

...This time, he makes a move; The vote!

Wow, a billion posts since I left for lunch!

*Some Hammered quote*

I think Hammered is acting really weird/mafia-like. But I also think Diginova is acting really weird. I am absolutely sure ONE of them is mafia. I would say both, because they both are acting like it, but that wouldn't make any sense at all given what they are doing to each other.

So what it comes down to for me is which one is telling the truth. I still think it's Hammered, just because Digi's whole story keeps changing.

Roland said, on day one:

*Guess whose quote this is?*

Diginova didn't deny this at all, but now he's saying it's not his role that is the problem.

*Some Diginova quote*

And since the role he claims to have is "a cop who sometimes gets to the see the role PM", it doesn't even make SENSE that he'd call that a broken role!

He's looking for a way out that people will believe. I think it's all an elaborate ruse, and it has totally fallen apart around his ears, because Hammered turned out to be a mason.

Think on this: if she had been any other role, she would've had NO defense against this except "Nuh-uh! I'm a townie!" And after we lynched her on his word, all he would have had to do was go "D'oh! I must be insane! Well, I inspected X last night and he came up townie, so he must actually be mafia!" That'd be 2 day kills and 2 night kills for the mafia team - totally worth it even if it meant Digi's demise the next day.

Diginova just got very very unlucky with his pick, the one role that has a defense against a cop.

Now, the flipside to this is that he claims he's a cop. If that's true, we lose a cop, which is about the worst loss you can have, I think. But in this case, for me, the evidence is totally overwhelming. Bad luck that he picked a mason.

I super-double-vote Diginova (note, I have no double-voting powers, this is just a wishful super-double vote!)


...Well, the anti-Diginova propaganda continues (lies and propaganda! :p).


Well, here's evidence #1 - Diginova is still mafia. We have the word of one person that he's not: himself. That's not convincing me! He didn't even have to come up with the scheme of 'proving' himself insane... we did it for him yesterday! I think we had a mafia lynch yesterday and it got blocked. Every piece of evidence from yesterday is exactly as valid today as it was then.

Is our real cop a lurker, or do we have some information here? I want to hear gasps from the dead, and input from anybody else who has found anything out. What you got, people? Diginova was definitely right about one thing: it's coming down to the wire.

The only mystery is what stopped Digi from being lynched. I guess we have a mayor?

I won't vote anybody until I hear what people have to say.

...I find it interesting that you all think that Diginova is still mafia! If he were to be saved by a governor/mayor/lynch stopper, it would all have had to have taken place within 37 minutes after his lynch! Also, who would want to stop his lynch anyway? I guess that CheeseLord could be the Governor - If you are, please say so!

...However, if Diginova turns out to be bad then Jamul is 100% likely to be good.

P.S: IF THERE IS ANOTHER COP, SPEAK UP PLEASE, COP! I want to make it so that if nobody claims to be one, then that means Diginova must be telling the truth - There can't be no cop. And that person must not be a lurker, since they must be getting in their PM's quickly (short nights ftw!), therefore they are probably reading the thread which means that they would hear this and if they don't they probably don't exist meaning Diginova is the only cop. Though there could be more than one...

EDIT: Well, you have lynched him now; Quite rightfully so. Why do I have to have time zone in which all the lynches are while I am sleeping?!

[Connor S.]

I'm defenitely agreeing with the above post... Jamul is moderately suspicous, what with the whole "Lets vote off a townie thing" with ryu, but in my eyes, Ufo is way MORE suspicous.

As you said, he was here when the last pm was sent, and hes very inexperienced. And so far the kills all seem to be random. Except maybe hammered, although she wasn't the one the mafia killed. Anyways, I think ufo is more likely than jamul for now, as he mysteriosuly talked about the lynch, and julian dieing and how suspicous it looked.

To me, in all, t all points to him being an inexperienced godfather! but I'll wait to see what other townies have to say first.

[ElMikkino]

Ufo-man is kinda suspicious, considering that he's lurking now as well...we should leave digi aside for now, and VOTE: Ufo-Man!

[diginova]

I'm not sure why he said it before he was dead, which is why I voted him the first time, but the fact that he said it after he died would imply that he knew there was a governor who would save him. This means either he is a mafia cop, which I discussed earlier, or the governor is mafia. That would make the game incredibly broken, as the governor could keep all of the mafia from being killed once, so I don't believe that's the case either. That means that digi is, in my mind, just a paranoid/insane cop, who happens to be acting very oddly.

The reason I gasped early was because I didn't actually follow the topic... I saw all the votes and didn't even bother counting since I thought there were already over the 7 votes for lynch.

And I gasped at the end because it was lynch (actually 1 over lynch), and I was almost positive I was dead, until Hammered told me to blank it.

[CheeseLord]

No, I am not the governor, and I am not another cop. I have to agree that Ufo is rather suspicious though. And I counted, there were exactly 7 votes for digi.

[Jamul]

I'm not sure why he said it before he was dead, which is why I voted him the first time, but the fact that he said it after he died would imply that he knew there was a governor who would save him. This means either he is a mafia cop, which I discussed earlier, or the governor is mafia. That would make the game incredibly broken, as the governor could keep all of the mafia from being killed once, so I don't believe that's the case either. That means that digi is, in my mind, just a paranoid/insane cop, who happens to be acting very oddly.

You know what, you're just going to have to break this down for me. WHAT about Diginova's false gasp implies that he knew there was a governor? Think hard about it! He only had 3/7 votes on him, he was nowhere near a lynch. He was just hoping his "mistake" would make people assume he was a real cop.

I find the idea of a mafia cop a huge stretch, and completely unnecessary and unrelated to any evidence we have. He could be one, but he wouldn't have to be for any of the evidence that exists. He is one of two things: an insane cop who has acted, appropriately, insane; or a mafia of some type (what type doesn't matter, he would not need any powers to do what he has done).

Yes, I definitely think Diginova is mafia, because everything that he has done says so. I can list the stuff I remember in simple form, but I think we all know them by now:

#1 - "I AM MAFIA" code
#2 - "my role made me know the game was broken", followed much later by "no, it wasn't my role that made me want to quit"
#3 - the role he claims he has is a cop that sometimes gets to see the role PM of his inspection. Compare that to "I know this game is broken just from this role".
#3 - "Hammered is SCUM!", followed by the discovery that Hammered is a mason, and later yet of course by the simple fact that she's townie.
#4 - When he had only 3 votes on him of 7 needed, he posted a last gasp that makes him look like a townie (which if successful, would've caused people to unvote him. If unsuccessful, the only risk was that he'd be lynched, which is already where things were going).
#5 - In all previous games, he has been extremely aware of the vote counts.
#6 - In all previous games, nobody has ever made an early gasp (correct me if that's wrong, but I'm pretty sure). It's an impossibility because you'd have to be not paying attention for it to happen, but if you weren't paying attention, you wouldn't know you had been lynched until much later!
#7 - He posted dozens of times yesterday, replying to the various people who were voting and not voting him. This is another reason he couldn't have been so completely wrong on the vote count.
#8 - He claims to have inspected himself and confirmed his supposed insanity. Well,the only evidence for that is that he said it, obviously. This means nothing for his innocence or his guilt.

Does anybody find anything incorrect in those 7 points at all? His being an insane cop would fit that evidence, but that last gasp happening completely blows it all out of the water. That's horrifically unlikely for a townie to have done.

Now I understand the concern that lynching him could cost us a cop, however unlikely that is. And MUCH more importantly, we have found that there's a governor who apparently believes Diginova to be innocent (I find the idea of a mafia governor - especially one named after the game's host! - totally implausible). That means we can't lynch him anyway, until the governor agrees with us that he is evil. That's fine with me, provided we successfully get a different one today.

Like for example, the one guy who constantly argues that Digi MUST be good, based on a completely illogical concept (again, WHY would he have to be a mafia cop to have made that gasp?). So I think Cheeselord is very suspicious. Possibly just misled, though.

[Jamul]

Oh, wow. Lots of posts while I was typing...

One thing I want to know about: a lot of people have mentioned Diginova's second gasp. I never saw that, only the deleted post. What did that contain? People are talking like it was also a townie gasp, but I want to be sure that's actually people who saw it, and not just talking about the deleted post.

[CheeseLord]

The fact that he gasped after he died would mean that either he was actually a cop or he was lying and knew he could get away with it. The latter only makes sense if he already knew about the governor, which, as I've said before, is rather unlikely.
Edit: the second gasp was pretty much the same as the first.

[Jamul]

...I find it interesting that you all think that Diginova is still mafia! If he were to be saved by a governor/mayor/lynch stopper, it would all have had to have taken place within 37 minutes after his lynch! Also, who would want to stop his lynch anyway? I'm guessing that CheeseLord could have been the Governor - If you are, please say so!


That doesn't make sense at all. He *WAS* saved by a governor. Read the post, it's right there. That IS what happened. We can discuss why it happened and what it means, but you can't argue that it's unlikely for it to have happened. It happened!

[Connor S.]

Er... Jamul? A governor can only stop the same person from being lynched once! although I supposed its possible for a variation... meh. I just think it seems rather unlikely, after seeing his real gasp. The governor would HAVE to be mafia for what your saying to be true. its just unlikely is all... anyways, I think Ufo is a far better decision anyways, simply because. Look at the evedince, its right there! anyways, I'll wait for a few more opinions before I vote though, as I am not that great at playing mafia yet.

[Jamul]

The fact that he gasped after he died would mean that either he was actually a cop or he was lying and knew he could get away with it. The latter only makes sense if he already knew about the governor, which, as I've said before, is rather unlikely.
Edit: the second gasp was pretty much the same as the first.

Okay, that last bit was some information other people had that I didn't... it definitely muddies the waters. The evidence against him is really overwhelming, but that is certainly evidence to the contrary. I say let's find somebody else then. But I'm definitely keeping him in mind. There's just too much to the contrary, even if there is that.

[Jamul]

Oh, also didn't know that governors could only do once per person. Anyway, after hearing about the 2nd gasp, I'm not pursuing him... at the moment.

[Connor S.]

??? why'd jamul double post twice? actually, this is quite random. But it seems starnge. perhaps a wierd role... or paranoia on my part... meh. But he's done it more than once! :D

Anyways, I am currently convinced that Ufo is mafia.. if you need to know why, look at some of my above posts, and until then..

vote: Ufo-Man!

The godfather seems inexperienced.

[chaucer]

Oh, yes, Hammered and Justin get last gasps if they are posted before the end of day three. As well, if you have not posted since the beginning of the game, you have 24 hours to do so. If not, the first (and, at this time, only) person on the replacement list will take your place.

Vote count:
Ufo-Man: 2 (Connor S.; ElMikkino)

[Connor S.]

Chaucer, someone else has also voted ufo before me. I just thoguht I'd mention that.

[Ufo-Man]

OK
there was a LOT of posts since i was gone
I AM TELLING YOU!!!!
I AM NOT MAFIA!!!
I AM UNEXPERIENCED, AND A NOOBIE IN MAFIA(I know, i even say it)
It would make a unbalenced game if NOOBIES were mafia.
And the people that are voting me are most-likely MAFIA
Also, All those posts I made, I was Trying to make Chauser Know that i am Not Quitting this mafia game, like Maiden Japan 007

[Jamul]

I double post because I don't like editing in mafia games it looks like cheating. I make one post, then see what has happened while I was posting, and reply to it.

I'm waiting for those gasps and hopefully SOMEBODY has done some inspection of someone other than themselves??

I think Ufo-Man doesn't look terribly innocent, but there's nothing amazingly evil about him either. We are really far behind at this point and dangerously close to losing, so I'd like to do some deliberating and actually get someone evil today for sure.

[Connor S.]

AGGG! Of course he looks like mafia scum! grrrr. I feel mafia-like getting today. But still,,, no one else vote for him until we're sure he is mafia!

[Ufo-Man]

Yeah, I am innocent, but since i am a NOOBIE, I have been posting strangely accidentally, but please forgive me, i am what you call a NOOB to mafia
So please UNVOTE me, I know you will regret it if you waste a lynch on a townie
but you will see when i get Mafia'd and see my PM, unless they spare me (not likely)

[Licking Post]

Why are you so sure the mafia want to get you? I don't get it.

[Ufo-Man]

Well, they are attacking NOOBS, and I look like I am next in line

[Connor S.]

er... since when? and if you mean the random killings of justin and julian, perhaps they just don't like the letter J?

[Ufo-Man]

hmm.... HEY!!!! HOW CAN YOU THINK THAT?!?!?
EITHER YOU ARE A MAFIA/GODFATHER OR YOU AR GOOD AT SEEING THE UNLIKELY....

[Connor S.]

Yah, one of those, or maybe I was joking, or maybe your caps key is stuck! :p Yah lets go with those latest two! :p

[regeneratorizer]

Is UFO acting mighty suspicious, or is it just me?

[Ufo-Man]

It is not stuck, but that is strange that you say about that mafia kills....

[Ufo-Man]

Is UFO acting mighty suspicious, or is it just me?
Yes i am, but i already told you, it is an Accident becuase I am a NOOB

[Connor S.]

that noob thing, a nice cover up, sdont you agree? then theres the past evedince against him, then theres him accusing me for joking... then he just seems uptight in general! like hes backed into a corner. Meh, still don't vote though. We're dangeosuly close to losing, and we wan't to make SURE hes mafia.

[Ufo-Man]

I Am Not Mafia!!!
You Guys Are Backing Me Up To A Corner!!!!
And Remember, You Are Never Supposed To Back Cats Into Corners!!!!

[regeneratorizer]

like hes backed into a corner.


You Guys Are Backing Me Up To A Corner!!!!
And Remember, You Are Never Supposed To Back Cats Into Corners!!!!

...D'wha? Is UFO TRYING to get himself lynched or something? Alright, I can't hold back anymore, that was the last straw. VOTE: UFO-MAN.

[Jamul]

Wait, he's a cat now?

I'm definitely not voting yet... where's that giant gasp Hammered promised us?

[Ufo-Man]

That was a metaphor, about the cat
I am NOT a cat
I am an ALIEN

[CheeseLord]

I must say, even for a self-proclaimed NOOB, Ufo is acting a little too paranoid for my taste. I don't think I'll vote yet, however, seeing as we are far too close to losing to kill people off on suspicion. However, I think he's the most likely mafia we have.

[Ufo-Man]

UGH!
ok vote me, then feel sorry after i get lynched
when i gasp, it will be straight to the facts
I hope the Town will still win, when i am dead

[Connor S.]

Now we have facts? excellent! If you new stuff, why didn't you tell us earlier? why wait till your dead? meh. Just make sure you post ALL of your suspicouns. we HAVE to get a mafia today to win! actually no. but if we lynch a townie, then TOMMORROW we HAVE to. so yah. I personally would enjoy the wiggle room, but thats just me! so lets be careful!

[Ufo-Man]

TY
sorry, I will watch what i say.
Thank you for letting me have another chance

[Hammered]

Hi, all! It's just me making a final stop before heading off to the afterlife and the peace and quiet of my early retirement from the game and lookie there :shock: I was taken out by an inventor. The mafia didn't kill me. Why didn't the mafia kill me? Why are they only taking out the rookies? (Mossysox was taken out by a bomb, not by the mafia.) What kind of a strategy is that? Even a bunch of neophytes should have enough brains to know that their best bet is to take out the strongest players among their opposition. Is it really a bunch of rookies, or is a very smart godfather pretending to be a rookie. Continue reading for the exciting conclusion, which includes a list of what I believe are all four members of the mafia team. (I am sure of the first two. The last two are my best guess.)

#1 Everyone was so sure that there was a mafia mason. Everyone was sure that evil mason was me. I'm willing to meet you halfway. You were half right. There is an evil mason; it just wasn't me.

When I read my role, I had a hunch that one of the masons might have extra abilities. (You can read it for yourself in Chaucer's post when I died; no reason to take my word for it.) When I had a chance to talk to the other mason in the chat, he was all over it. A special ability? What could it be? He just had to know. He was amazingly overeager, so much so that I backpedaled and told him it was just a wild guess and that I would ask the other mason about it later.

What happened next? Did he wait until I talked to the other mason? Not a bit! He went off and PMed the other mason immediately, trying the same heavy handed routine on him, trying to find out about the powers I suspected, but saying it was MY idea that he asked, which made that mason erroneously suspect me.

This morning, he was all over me again - the lynch of diginova failed - shouldn't we start right off by trying to lynch him again? Also there was more about trying to find out about that phantom power. I cannot emphasize enough how overly eager that this person was on all counts. It gave me a very uneasy feeling about him. At that point, I knew all about the amazing save of the insane cop that I had mistakenly started the bandwagon on; in fact, I was the one who recommended that the valuable one-time only save be spent to save that cop. Now, if there is a mafia mason, we know that it isn't me, and we know that it isn't the person with the one-shot bonus power.

Therefore, the evil mafia mason must be the overeager Licking Post! I am 99.9% certain of his evilness - get rid of him as soon as you can. I would have denounced him sooner, but I thought I might be able to make use of him to convey erroneous information to the mafia.

Here is a tiny additional argument in his own words. Is this Licking Post preparing an argument for when I am proven a townie, which happened much sooner than the mafia intended?

How do we even know there is a mafia mason?

#2 This is not a suspicion but rather an apology to the town for nearly costing them a cop (albeit an insane one). The extreme overeagerness of Licking Post to get rid of diginova indicates to me that diginova is indeed a cop. His inspection of himself (done at my recommendation), has demonstrated to his own satisfaction that he is insane, so he won't be falsely accusing any more of my fellow townies. This inspection would not prove his own innocence to the satisfaction of anyone except himself, but he did it even though it would be 100% convincing to himself and would not help the townies get a new investigation at all. If he was mafia, he wouldn't have done that, because it wouldn't convince anyone among the townies of his own innocence. However, the overeagerness of Licking Post to relynch diginova, taken in combination with this inspection, did successfully convince me, and I am not easy to fool.

#3 I now turn your attention to someone who is trying very hard to get rid of our cop. Why does he want to get our only cop lynched? Simple. A smart doctor will protect the cop, so the mafia can't kill him directly. They need him lynched, especially before he checks out every single person on this list. Who is that over there jumping up and down, over and over, trying to get diginova lynched? Why it's none other than our own beloved Jamul. (Didn't some smart person tell you he was evil earlier?) (Note to Regen: Perhaps you are not the only one whose posts are ignored.)

Add this to my theory stated above that a very smart person is masquerading as a godfather who doesn't know what he is doing, and I am 97% sure that Jamul is evil, because just running a dumb website doesn't really prove that you're dumb! He's too smart to lynch a cop, unless he is a mafia. Digi, inspect Jamul tonight, if this group isn't smart enough to lynch him first. He is even trying to get the other cop (if there is one) to come out of hiding and be a target:

Well, here's evidence #1 - Diginova is still mafia. We have the word of one person that he's not: himself. That's not convincing me! He didn't even have to come up with the scheme of 'proving' himself insane... we did it for him yesterday! I think we had a mafia lynch yesterday and it got blocked. Every piece of evidence from yesterday is exactly as valid today as it was then.

Is our real cop a lurker, or do we have some information here? I want to hear gasps from the dead, and input from anybody else who has found anything out. What you got, people? Diginova was definitely right about one thing: it's coming down to the wire.

The only mystery is what stopped Digi from being lynched. I guess we have a mayor?

I won't vote anybody until I hear what people have to say.

I bet this is not the last gasp from the dead that Jamul was hoping for.

#4 Another person trying hard to kill diginova is Connor S. I give the likelihood as about 60%. He isn't working as hard as Jamul, but he is working at it:

I dont understand what your saying about diginova. It's still perfectly possible for him to be mafia.

#5 This person is telling us mafia roles without them having been mentioned by anyone. They only people who would know the mafia roles are members of the mafia team. He's made this same mistake in other games, so it isn't hard to assign a likelihood of 75% that ElMikkino is mafia. He is also going after poor diginova.

I agree that there is a Prostitute (mafia roleblocker) on the mafia team, but that might make this game broken.

EDIT not about above: The way I see it, here are the possibilities of digi:

1. He is mafia, and he is doing a very bad job at being one.
2. He is an insane cop who can read role PMs.
3. He is a mafia cop, and he lied about Hammered being scum.
4. He's a Jester, trying as hard as he can to get himself killed.

Possibility of #1: 45%
#2: 15%
#3: 20%
#4: 20%

That's just my opinion, though.

#6 Also notice these people are going after Ufo-man and that Ufo-man has been saying many of the same thing that I am saying here. I think it is best to lay off of Ufo-man.

Here's my suggested order:

Today, lynch Jamul and cut the head off of this snake. The strategy is sure to get worse with him gone.

Tonight, the doctor protects Diginova and he inspects ElMikkino. He can report the results tomorrow.

Tomorrow, lynch Licking Post and get rid of my other sure thing.

Tomorrow night the doctor protects Diginova and he inspects, Connor S. He can report the results the next day.

This scheme gets rid of my two sure targets first and allows you to confirm the other two before it is time to act on them. You can debate your own course of action if I am wrong about either of the other two.

[Ufo-Man]

Thank You, Hammered
If you were still alive, I could have called you...Friend.:cry:

[Connor S.]

Interesting post Hammered. Meh, After reading it, I have nothing much to say, other than that I was telling everyone not to vote Ufo anyways... Regen was a little more eager than me. meh. anyways... Looking back at licking post, perhaps we can get Wes to explain the prediciment a little more? because Hammered was pretty vauge. she just said he was over eager. Well, just because Hammered has posted, doesn't mean we should change the fact that we must be ABSOLUTELY SURE about the lycnh! so I think we need 100% proof before pynching anyone. We can go with the people on hammereds lists, but none of them are gaurenteed mafia, and the townies are REALLY close to losing! we need to play our cards right.

[Ufo-Man]

I Say we should go with what hammered said in his last gasp and Vote: Jamul!!!!!

[Connor S.]

Er, one its a She, not a he, and two, I agree jamul is way suspicous, but we have to be 100%! we CANNOT afford to lynch wrong!

[CheeseLord]

Normally, I would say we should follow Hammered's plan down to the letter. However, considering we cannot afford another mistake, we need to consider everything carefully. As Hammered pointed out early on, no sane host would put her and Jamul on the same team. That, combined with the huge amounts of evidence against Jamul, is enough to convince me of Jamul's guilt. I will Vote: Jamul.

[Jamul]

Here's what I have to say about Hammered's post:

Two of the ones she mentioned sound solid to me (and you can guess I'm not one of those two!): Licking Post, and ElMikkino. It was completely random and weird that ElMik threw out that mafie roleblocker comment for NO reason! And as for Licking Post, I too was strongly thinking there was a mafia mason (and very very strongly thinking it was Hammered until we learned otherwise!). From what she's describing of her behind-the-scenes discussions, that one sounds solid to me too, and she'd be the one in the position to know.

As for her opinion on both me and Connor S., she gives the same reason for both: wanting to lynch Diginova. Are you KIDDING me?! I mostly *STILL* want to lynch that guy! The evidence is just enormous. To act like that's some evil plot to be rid of a cop is ridiculous. I've already listed all the extremely suspicious things he's done, and I don't think anything done by anyone else in this game even begins to compare. However, there is that second gasp that contradicts that and leaves it just plain confusing, so like I said, I'll back off of that. I don't want to lose a cop, but to my mind, that ain't no cop. And by the way, I have a long history of trying to lynch off people that I think are faking as cops (and seeing as how I was usually wrong on that... it's probably good that I'm letting this one go. For now!). Check previous games!

I'm not trying to get cops to reveal themselves. I am just looking for actual information at this point. We have very little to go on. I can't believe that this far into the game, we haven't gotten any inspections or, well, anything good at all really. Just a bunch of double kills.

Roland, on the other hand, has made a specific plea for the cops to reveal themselves, as a way of proving Diginova (a very illogical way: it would prove Diginova good if NO cops reveal themselves? What if they just don't want to get lynched?). He has also asked people to hurry the game along, and not wait for the masons, just lynch now. And so on.

In my opinion, Roland has acted the most suspicious of anyone. However, he always acts really paranoid and weird. So I don't feel like that's all that convincing.

Here's my take: Either Licking Post or ElMikkino. Ufo-Man has definitely acted strangely beyond strange, but nothing convincingly evil. Just weird. Licking Post has that odd behavior in mason chat which is highly suspect (and my strong gut feeling that there IS a mafia mason), while ElMikkino has a blatant mistake of mentioning a mafia role that nobody else even said. It was just so random and very reminiscent of his slip in a previous game that also proved him a mafia.

So I would like to VOTE: ElMikkino. I'd also be willing to go along with Licking Post, but of the two, ElMik is the one who blurted out something mafia. I think those 2 are solid, but I'll go with the one that made a clear statement. I don't really see anyone else that is such an absolute lock.

[Ufo-Man]

we need a vote count

[Jamul]

Normally, I would say we should follow Hammered's plan down to the letter. However, considering we cannot afford another mistake, we need to consider everything carefully. As Hammered pointed out early on, no sane host would put her and Jamul on the same team. That, combined with the huge amounts of evidence against Jamul, is enough to convince me of Jamul's guilt. I will Vote: Jamul.

Huge amount? There isn't any evidence against me! This is the problem with 'trusted players'. Hammered says I'm guilty, quotes me saying I want to hear inspections, and suddenly there is huge evidence against me.

A good host would assign roles randomly, so as to not be giving the players key (and game-ruining) information before the game even starts. The "evidence against me" is that I am insisting that Diginova is evil. I've listed the reasons why clearly and precisely, and nobody has argued against a single one. Then, once I learned something more that made it less clear, I said I won't pursue him anymore.

Here's the thing. I don't mind taking one for the team, I'm all for it. But now is not the best time to be doing that. I win if the town wins, I don't win if you guys lynch me now, leaving no breathing room tomorrow, and lose then. We need a mafia now. If you really think this 'huge evidence' really is more convincing towards me than Licking Post's mason chat and ElMikkino's blatant mafia post (and for that matter, Diginova's entire thread full of mafia behavior), then I'm the best target. Absolutely. But I think that's a bad move, just based on the pure odds. The other 2 Hammered named have clear and simple evidence against them (I don't think Connor does, because again, it's his interest in lynching Diginova she complains about, a move that is 100% logical for a townie based on his behavior).

Take the logical choice. And inspect me tonight!

[regeneratorizer]

Take the logical choice. And inspect me tonight!

Course, a godfather would have reversed inspection, giving you a mafia, and therefor townie inspection.

.......Meh, I'm rather torn here, but I'll go along with Hammered and say VOTE: JAMUL!

[chaucer]

Vote count:
ElMikkino: 1 (Jamul)
Jamul: 3 (CheeseLord; Ufo-Man; Regeneratorizer)
Ufo-Man: 2 (ElMikkino; Connor S.)

6 votes to lynch.

[Ufo-Man]

How many to lynch?

[Licking Post]

I will not deny anything Hammered said about me. I did ask her about Wesley's power role, and I did ask her if she thought we should try to re-lynch Digi. But that was before I learned about his second "last gasp," which as Jamul said, makes him seem less suspicious. And as for asking about Wesley's power role, I did that because I'm a n00b, and thought that masons never had power roles. So naturally I was curious. I also thought that his role, if he had one, would be more powerful if the three of us discussed how to use it, instead of Wes using it without advice from Hammered and me (mostly Hammered, because I'm a n00b). I was really disappointed when you all falsely accused me of being mafia and lynched me in my sleep last game, especially since it made us lose. I don't want the same thing to happen this time! Anyways, Jamul does seem very suspicious. He just asked digi to inspect him, knowing very well that godfathers get the "good" result, and that everybody who thought he was mafia thought he was also the godfather. It sounds like a desperate attempt not to get lynched to me. And notice how he says he thinks Elmikkino and I are suspicious (although I admit we do seem suspicious). If we were also mafia, he would want to back us up, not lynch us! That's bad for the mafia! Sounds like a desperate attempt to bring two townies down with him, thus securing a mafia victory. Don't let that happen! VOTE: Jamul!

[Jamul]

Many votes on my doorstep! Well, last attempt to get ou guys to move over to an actual (and completely obvious) mafia:

I am an inventor, Crafty Mage. I didn't want to admit this on general principle, but also because... I may have slightly killed Hammered a bit. But it's not as bad as it sounds! I had 3 magical inventions, one of which was described as simply a "a small cardboard box" (which as it turns out was a matchbox). I had no idea what it would do, but I didn't think it would kill anyone. I was kinda shooting for an inspection, but I figured anything interesting done to Hammered would do, since she was most suspicious.

Specifically, I really didn't think it would kill her because one of my other items is "a shiny black orb". If anything was gonna kill people, I thought it was that!

So that proves I am a townie. Please lynch ElMikkino who posted a clear mafia post.

[Ufo-Man]

Hmm....
He may be lying, but it would be pretty hardto think something up like that.
so I Unvote and Vote: ElMikkino!!!!!

[Licking Post]

Ignore him! It's just a desperate attempt to look innocent. Don't unvote. Vote Jamul.

[Ufo-Man]

Ok, I dont know who to vote, so ill just Unvote

[CheeseLord]

That would certainly explain a lot. It's always possible he's lying and banking on the real inventor's reluctance to role-claim, but that's more of a gamble than I would think he would take. I will Unvote. And Licking Post, that was about as mafia as anything you could say. I will Vote: Licking Post.

[regeneratorizer]

I think Jamul is simply trying to draw out the real inventor, so him and his mafia buddies can kill him.

VOTE: JAMUL for emphasis.

[Jamul]

Why would the mafia be highly interested in an inventor, when that inventor had clearly already used up a killing power? Inventors aren't that impressive, speaking as one. I had no idea what that stupid box would do! Doesn't it make a lot more sense that I was telling the truth? If I were mafia, I would want to take down a doctor or cop. But then again, the mafia has picked pretty much at random, so I don't know what I would be doing if I were this mafia.

I would not be stupid enough to claim a townie role I didn't have! It's not even a role that's potentially missing, we've seen the effects of the invention. We know there's an inventor. If I were mafia, what kind of move would that be to claim as someone who can easily argue back? It's funny how arguments against me all either rely on me being some kind of cryptogenius with magical powers who knows everything at once and can quadruple play everybody in ways they'll never understand... or rely on me being really dumb and doing totally foolish things.

Why can't you people vote for someone who posted a mafia roleclaim (inadvertantly) in his post!? I guess I give up... once you lynch me, we will be lynch-or-lose tomorrow, almost certainly. Pick ElMikkino or Licking Post then. They ARE mafia, and there is actual evidence of that as opposed to "gee, he seems smart, therefore he must have smartly looked dumb".

[CheeseLord]

At this point, the odds favor Jamul being townie. If he were mafia, the roleclaim would either mean he assumed the real inventor wouldn't roleclaim, which is a rather dangerous play, or he assumed the real inventor would say something, and would be killed off in the night, which would trade a good mafia for an inventor, who really isn't all that powerful without a kill left. That doesn't seem like too good a trade, so I would say that it is unlikely that Jamul is mafia.

[Wesley]

Noooo! My mason buddy! I won't let you die in vain Hammered! Anyway, a couple things:

1. Licking Post, that is NOT what happened. You are mafia. You had to know if one of us had a power, so you tried to get it out of Hammered. When you failed, you came after me, using Hammered's curiosity as a disguise, even when she stopped wondering about it. Later, when Diginova was saved, you franticly had to find the person. You thought that one of us would have it, despite Hammered saying it was just a thought, and even when you lied to me, I said no. Even though I did have a one time only power, I only kept it a secret because I didn't want it to get back to the supposed mafia mason, Hammered. However, I am very, very, VERY, convinced you are mafia, even without Hammered's big post. Sorry, but you can't hide behind being a n00b anymore. Actually, that's never really an excuse to start with.

2. I'm also sure that Jamul is mafia. Why? Well, you've heard several reasons, and I'd rather not repeat them all. Sorry Jamul, but I just don't trust you. VOTE:Jamul

Now, I want to make this very clear. Even though I am going after Jamul today, doesn't mean that Licking Post is in the clear. In fact, tomorrow, I'm going to vote him myself. However, today, we need all the help we can get. Everyone! VOTE:Jamul today, and then VOTE:Licking Post tomorrow! We can still win this!

EDIT: In response to Cheeselord, at this point of the game, mafia players have to do everything possible to survive, even if it is very risky.

[CheeseLord]

The mafia don't need to do anything terribly risky at this point. They haven't yet lost a player, and only need to convince us to kill off one (or maybe two, if the governor doesn't stop another kill) townie to win.

[Connor S.]

Bye Bye jamul! AS far as I vcan see, your MAFIASCUM! and townies must win!

vote: jamul

[ElMikkino]

Ok, I will probably die tonight because of this (or today) but...I am a Skitzo! Yes, I know this is a big surprise. I forgot to do anything the last 2 nights, cause this is my first alone night role. Also, I know I look very suspicious now, but I think LP looks more suspicious, especially since one of the mafia has to be an inexperienced person. If you look back at game #23, when I was alive, the mafia made some pretty experienced nightkills (we would have killed CG the first night, if not for his busdriving abilities). All of these kills in this game are very inexperienced, which makes Ufo-Man and LP the prime suspects now. And, since LP seems more suspicious now, I say Vote: Licking Post.

[PlasmaCannonsRule]

*wakes up* *looks around* ONOS! I SEE THE LIGHT! (and the evidence!) Vote: Jamul.

[Licking Post]

Okay, I've kinda lost count here, with all the vote-switching. What's the vote count at now?

[Julian]

5 votes Jamul. One more to lynch.

Licking Post has 2 and ElMikino has 1.

[diginova]

I'm positive Jamul is mafia

He's repeating a certain mafia in 23, initially claiming that I'm mafia and not listening to anyone else, and now being insistent that I should inspect him to prove his innocence.

Let's get the godfather.
Lynch: Jamul

[Hammered]

and that is a lynch - no more talking

[chaucer]

Chaucer seemed especially happy, because after rifling through some files, he found a file that said that Jamul was a black mage. So, he went and rifled through the tightrope that Jamul was walking across to get across the Inconvenient Endless Pit(TM) so that he could escape. He fell. And fell. And fell.

You guys are mafia. Jamul is the first Godfather, followed by ???, followed by ???, followed by ???.

It is Night 3! Night action people, please send in your PMs.

[Jamul]

And so, townies, it seems my plan is finally complete. You have all foolishly fallen for the master plan!!!

Did it not seem ODD, my children, that on the first night, the innocuous Julian was felled most heinously?

And then, surely it further confounded you to note the demise of Justin - someone who never contributed a single thing to this game.

And now, the third, and final, day of the master plan is at its close. And yes, in my greatest act yet, I, JAMUL, AM DESTROYED!

Don't you understand, townies!? Don't you see it now? The pattern was there for all to see, but not for any to stop. I masterminded every aspect of this crime! Did you think I expected Hammered to make a gasp incriminating someone else? FOOLS! YOU WILL NOW SUFFER!

Julian.

Justin.

Jamul.

THE TYRANNY OF THE LETTER J HAS ENDED!

And with that, a bow, and I bid you adieu. The greatest mafia plan in history is at a close. Your game continues, briefly, but to no avail. Victory is mine. You townies have lost in a much deeper sense than you could ever know. Good luck drinking your uice and playing umprope and enoying the months of une and uly.

*POOF*

[Connor S.]

I realize it is night, but I probably wont be here to say it in the morning. Pretty much ALL of sunday I will be away, so know that i am NOT lurking! But I won't be able to get to my keyboard.

Im going to Ottawa with my mum, to see the rememberance ceromony thing... so yah. I wont be here. for most of it anyways.

[chaucer]

Three black mages creapt towards Wesley's mansion. They broke in rather too loudly, which alerted him to the danger. He managed to blast them back and escape. He managed to survive.

It is Day 4. There are 10 players, so it take 6 votes to lynch.

List of players:
CheeseLord
Connor S.
Diginova
ElMikkino
Licking Post
PlasmaCannonsRule
Regeneratorizer
Roland
Ufo-Man
Wesley

List of dead players:
Hammered-Bounced to Infinity, Night 2.
Jamul-Fell, and fell, and fell'd, Day 3.
Julian-Constelationalized, Night 1.
Justin-Lost in the Woods, Night 2
Mossysox-Revengerized, Day 1.
Ryuinfinity-Black Hole'd, Day 1.

[diginova]

Yay... this gives us some breathing room.

And now, the reason I thought this game would be broken originally was just confirmed to me. I figured out that I was either insane or paranoid by my self-inspection. Last night, when I made my inspection, Chaucer told me that since I had figured out that I was insane, I would not be insane anymore and am now just a normal cop, even though I had not narrowed it down to insanity.

I also got my first PM result, on ElMikkino. I will back up his claim that he is a skitzo, also known as The Loonymage. As a skitzo, he can randomly kill, protect, investigate, roleblock or have no effect on someone. Luckily, with the failed kill yesterday, this narrows down the list of suspects even further.

Hammered's gasp seems to still be holding true, so let's just Vote: Licking Post and get another mafia.

[Ufo-Man]

Hmm.... Just an idea, but what if Jamul is trying to brainwash us into voting off a townie, when he is a mafia, maybe even the GODFATHER!!(dont think about it too hard, it most likely is wrong, but I will be saying "I TOLD YA!!" if I am right)....
Now I am Promising what I said so lets get it over! I TOLD ALL OF YOU GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!
And another thing, Jamul was trying to get rid of his whole name!!!
Think about it!
First the J's there was no A's then the M's, Next thing you know, Licking post and me will be gone!!!
right now it is XXXul!!!!
So please, if there is some way to do it, protect Licking Post and me!!!

[CheeseLord]

We now have another two proven townies, which gives us some leverage, and now the governor can safely stop one more kill without our necessarily losing. I will probably be killed off soon for defending Jamul, but for now, I think it's pretty clear that Licking Post is mafia, so I will Vote: Licking Post.

[regeneratorizer]

Why exactly do you want to protect Licking Post? I say we keep true to Hammereds last gasp and VOTE: LICKING POST

[Ufo-Man]

Ok, Fine Dont listen to me.
This is what i am guessing Licking Post shall say in his last gasp if he is a mafia "Muauahahaha! Even though you got another Mafia, You are all falling into Jamul's major plan!!!"
As i said before, if this is true, i will be saying "I TOLD YA!!!!"
Also if that will be true, then protect me tommorow!!!

[diginova]

who should I inspect tonight?

And for UFO-man, he's either paranoid or trying to draw the doctor's protection away from the cop, so they can go after me now that I've been proven sane by the mod.

[regeneratorizer]

You should inspect whom Hammered told you to inspect last night.

[Ufo-Man]

Ok fine, Digi inspect me tonight, you will see that i am a townie,if it is true about licking post, then the doctor protects me, but if is that i am just paraniod, then keep protecting Digi.
So you will see that i am right, then i will Vote: Licking Post!
Also, Regeneratorizer stop Ninjaing me!!!

[Licking Post]

You know, I'm really going to hate this game if you falsely accuse me and lynch me in my sleep again! Don't do it! I've answered your suspicions, and yet you still insist on voting me. What convinces you? Don't think that just because you have a little breathing room you can make sloppy mistakes. Sloppy mistakes killed us last game. Don't let it happen again. I might add that I was one of Jamul's attackers, but you'll just say that I did that so I won't look suspicious. You're just that stubborn! Please think rationally!

[CheeseLord]

I am thinking rationally, and you have been acting mafia-like all game. My vote stands.

[Wesley]

I'm alive? I'm alive! Oh, I've been spared! Oh, and VOTE:Licking Post. A mason dies today. Well, a mason died a couple days ago, and I almost died today, but now it's your turn. I also think because you had no further use for me, you tried to kill me, but even if you didn't target me, I'd still go after you.

[Connor S.]

vote: Licking post

I just got back from ottawa! and we're making a good start at getting more mafia w00t!

I suggest tomorrow, after Licking is dead, we go after Ufo- heres why.

Looking back, he is the ONLY person, other than Jamul, to vote the now proven good Elmikkino.

And if THATS not suspicous enough for you, hes trying to protect Licking post, so if he turns up mafia, Ufo- pretty much is to.

Hes also like digi said, drawing the doctors attention away, so thats mafia-ish!

I think him voting Elmikkino was a last ditch n00b attempt to save the godfather. meh. Tomorrow he is going down!

[diginova]

should I inspect UFO or who Hammered told me to?

[Wesley]

should I inspect UFO or who Hammered told me to?

UFO or Connor S... I would say Connor for now. Depending on the result, we can go after ether Connor or UFO the following day. Anyway, everyone! Vote: Licking Post! We're close!

[diginova]

IT'S LYNCH. IT IS NOW NIGHT. NO TALKING.

[chaucer]

Sadly, it is not a lynch. Due to the fact that I have been busy, I have not been here quick enough to say this:

Suddenly, the whole universe collapsed onto Licking Post, sucked him into a black hole, then de-collapsed.


You are...

A Black Mage:
Each night, you can converse with your fellow Black Mages, and decide who to kill. You win when at least one of two things happen:

The TOWN is the same size as your group
You have managed to kill Chaucer, who is the leader of the TOWN.

Your fellow mafia are:

Jamul-Godfather
You-next Godfather
???-next Godfather

Good luck!


Day will continue normally, and all night PMs sent thus far will be disregarded, so that those who sent them may decide whether or not they want the choices they made.

[Ufo-Man]

Umm.... Ok....
Now 1 thing i must say.... Protect me!!!!

[Hammered]

Chaucer forgot to mention this, but with Licking Post gone, there are 9 players alive, so now it is only 5 votes to lynch.

List of players:
CheeseLord
Connor S.
Diginova
ElMikkino
PlasmaCannonsRule
Regeneratorizer
Roland
Ufo-Man
Wesley

[Ufo-Man]

Well, I dont know WHO we should lynch, but i dont know what to do for sure.

[diginova]

so why did LP die if it wasn't a lynch?

[Ufo-Man]

I bet the skitzo killed him

[diginova]

Umm.... Ok....
Now 1 thing i must say.... Protect me!!!!

If you get protected, the mafia will instantly lynch a power role. Maybe it's part of your role, but you are reading too deeply into Jamul's gasp... there is no way the mafia would go after you just because your name begins with the fourth letter in his name. Please stop rambling. It's making you seem suspicious, and it's annoying.

[CheeseLord]

I'm not entirely sure what Chaucer is saying has happened. However,
Umm.... Ok....
Now 1 thing i must say.... Protect me!!!!
seems rather suspicious. Why exactly would a doctor need to protect you? I don't know if you have a power role, but this would be a pretty bad move for a townie. It suggests that either you have a power role, which would leave the doctor more known powers to protect, or you're trying to direct the protection away from the known cop and skitzo. Not sure whether this is mafia or just an unexperienced townie, but either way, it's not very helpful. And seeing as it hasn't been night, the skitzo couldn't have killed anyone.
Edit: Ninja'd

[SpaceManiac]

Since Chaucer didn't mention it, I suppose he expects me to post:
I replaced PlasmaCannonsRule for "lurking to infinity." Also, Hammered? If I survive the rest of the game, does that count towards the minimum games played in for the Mafia Host list?

[Ufo-Man]

ok ill stop, but we already offically lost J from Jamul
EDIT:SM ninja'd me