Sleepless Hollow: Hints From Hamumu

[Jamul]

- The missing fish will be found quickly once something else on this list is found.
- There is another missing fish. This one is, at the moment, uncatchable for many profiles.
- The room in Darkness that causes much consternation opens via a switch. Access to that switch is somewhere in the upper right of the tomb, and requires something special to be done before you can get there (it will get you some candles too!).
- There are several Comic Goals that most of you probably cannot obtain in your current profile and will have to start anew. That's not a bug or unfair, it just has to do with what the goals are. If you work together and share what you've got, they might be discovered!
- One Comic Goal that will be extremely hard to find (and extremely worth finding! Best secret in a Hamumu game ever) is gotten by solving a certain puzzle incorrectly. There are not very many puzzles in the game that could still "make sense" when solved incorrectly, so let that be your guide. Create something incorrect, but valid.
- Another goal also involves solving a puzzle, but not incorrectly. This one involves oversolving the puzzle.
- Another comic goal (which most of you cannot obtain in your current profile) can only be gotten if you get it before you get another comic goal, and you must suffer to obtain it.
- A lot of this hinges on the discovery of all of the candles. There's a wiki, somebody ought to get started with listing where they can all be found! Many players likely have a candle or two that nobody else does, so getting them up in public could lead to results. A similar list for goals would probably be quite helpful too.
- You probably guessed this, given the timing, but 5 of the goals relate to fishing.

VAGUE FISHING TIPS
- Different fishing areas require different skill levels. The higher your skill, the more bites you get, and if your skill is too low for an area, you get no bites there at all.
- Every fish has a different effect on you when caught. Another thing worthy of cataloging on a wiki!
- Different fish have different size potential, though any fish can theoretically reach the maximum size. You are significantly more likely to win the lottery than catch a 200+lb Brayka Bass, however.
- Higher fishing skill=bigger fish.
- You can gain fishing skill in one way besides fishing. Think about it.
- The longer your bobber is in the water (logically!) the more likely you are to get a bite, so long casts are better, when they are possible. Illogically, time spent flying through the air also counts, giving another advantage to long casts. But you can also stand a ways back from the water when the fishing area is small, to take advantage of this rule and increase your odds of actually catching something in a small space.

Them's the tips!

[CatWoman]

Thanks! I'm gonna run off to play now ... BTW, my biggest fish so far is 174 pounds. I think it's a mudglopper. Man, did it put up a fight! :mrgreen:

Also ... I have a list of where every brain is, every key, 96 of the candles, and everything else. I'm not sure if I found all 11 pants and 11 red hammers since someone said they just show up as 10. Believe it or not, I have no idea how to put stuff on a wiki, but I will gladly share what I have if someone wants it. It will take me a little bit of time to clean it up so it makes sense to anyone but me. I do NOT, however, have all the goals, so someone else will have to help with that.

[Zaratus]

Yay! Thanks the the hint - got me looking in the right spot, got into that room in Tomb of Darkness finally! And got four candles to boot, AND the last fish! =D Just missing ONE candle now. Though I have a feeling there's two left, one being an extra, considering the source for one of my candles.

I have a feeling on two of the currently-unobtainable goals.

The incorrectly-solving a puzzle part - I can only think of two such spots in the game at the moment... It'll take some experimentation...

I believe I've gotten the 'oversolving' a puzzle one already, just by 'playing' around.

Now, the one currently-unobtainable goal, regarding the need to 'suffer'. That might take a bit more work to figure out... Hmm... And it has to be before a different goal...

[Coolguy]

YAY, thanks Zaratus, because of your clue I found the one candle I was missing! :D:D (and the Glarch)

EDIT: And now only 2 goals remain unknown...

[Zaratus]

Yeah... The suffering one, I think that might be getting killed by a certain one-time enemy perhaps? But it has to be before another goal... Well, it's techically before the 'You Win!' goal.

Maybe something to do with the evil clones?

Or it could simply be something about finishing the game at a low-level? I dunno...

And I've tried a few ideas for incorrectly solving a puzzle, but nothing so far.

[CatWoman]

And I now have all the candles, the fourth fish and 100%. I still need to work on the goals, but I'm really motivated now! :p

[CatWoman]

Maybe something to do with the evil clones?There's definitely a goal having to do with the clones. I got it a long time ago. There's also an obscure candle having to do with a single clone. Could that be the one you're missing?

[seamonkey]

theres 1 goal per hammer...

[Zaratus]

I got the goal for the clones a while back too, but was thinking of the hint mentioning a goal that has to be completed before finishing a different goal, and you have to suffer to get it. So, I was thinking along the lines of NOT killing the clones. Got the one that gives the candle, a while back. So, that's not the one I'm missing. =/ If it was only that easy. =)

I started a new profile up to see if I can't get some of those other goals. Two tombs down, working my way through Sparks again at the moment.

And the only thing I can think of for incorrectly solving a puzzle though, would either be in the Town Hall, or Tomb of Darkness. Nothing I've tried has worked though.

[varkarrus]

maybe SEED on the sesame puzzle?

[Zaratus]

Hmm, maybe there IS another word you can get on there, but SEED is impossible. The first letter and the last letter have to be next to each other. (A??B) or (E??D) or something like that.

Hmm, can't think of any words that might work off the top of my head though.

[Deciple_of_Dumb]

- There are several Comic Goals that most of you probably cannot obtain in your current profile and will have to start anew. That's not a bug or unfair, it just has to do with what the goals are.

I don't want to sound argumentative, but I personally find it infuriating when games have hidden content that later becomes unattainable. Jamul, please regard this as customer feedback; I would like it if you could avoid creating situations similar to this one in later games.

[Zaratus]

Well, I've yet to acquire it, but I'm fairly certain one of the goals is to finish the game in under a certain amount of time. I'm not sure what that mark is, but I'm close to finding out, if I can just get one more brain.

[Jamul]

It's not hidden content, it's goals. As mentioned right above, one goal is to finish in a certain amount of time. If that amount of time has passed, well, you get to try again! I do understand if you don't like that, but it's not the same type of thing as stuff like an area that becomes locked off, so if you missed the Sword Of Widgets, you can't get it anymore. I don't do those kind of things, because I don't like them either.

But these goal type of things are outside of the game proper, and when you limit it to ones that can't be failed, you just can't do as many of the interesting ones. Completing a game in a set amount of time is a unique challenge that relies on different strategies, I find it interesting!

[Zaratus]

Hah! I got the quickness goal. Was a bit worried there for a moment, wasn't sure if I'd make it. Then after I got it, I realized I made it with an hour to spare. =D

Was rushing like mad to get that last brain and finish up before I hit the three hour mark, and here it's FOUR hours. I would have took more time to level my hammers and collect powerups if I knew for sure that it was four. Those bosses that used to be a piece of cake were quite a bit trickier with lower level hammers and not as many pants and hammer up powerups.

OK, two goals left. EDIT: (err, well, 3 goals, but I know what one is, just gotta find that missing candle) Solving a puzzle wrong and the suffering before obtaining some other goal.

[Bruce]

- The room in Darkness that causes much consternation opens via a switch. Access to that switch is somewhere in the upper right of the tomb, and requires something special to be done before you can get there (it will get you some candles too!).


REALLY sorry for being so dumb, but I still don't get it.
What is that special thing?

[Zaratus]

Hmm... Thinking on how to give a vague hint with this... Hmm, I can't think of anything vague to say, so I'll just say this much - it involves the barrel puzzle in the top right, the one that filled the room with light.

You have to get the barrel in a certain spot. It shouldn't be too hard to figure out.

[Bruce]

Thanks again.
Now all I need is one candle!

[Zaratus]

Hmm, the more I think about it, the more I think the goal is mostly likely on the OPEN SESAME puzzle. But, I just can't think of words to use that can actually be used.

I had a sudden thought, though it turned out to be incorrect, that the answer might be 'Baba' as in, Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves, where the phrase Open Sesame is from. Alas, nothing.

If this is the right puzzle for the goal, it'll probably be something obvious once you know what it is. =/

Oh well, I'm giving it a break tonight.

[CatWoman]

OK, two goals left. EDIT: (err, well, 3 goals, but I know what one is, just gotta find that missing candle) Solving a puzzle wrong and the suffering before obtaining some other goal.This is sort of confusing. When you find the last candle you'll get a goal for 100%. When you buy the last item from the zombie with your newly found candle, you'll get a goal for buying out the shop. So if you're missing only 3, you must have one of the other two. :| Plus, there are five fishing goals. Do you have all of them? If so, please help us out with the other fish (not Glarch) Jamul mentioned. I have tried the well, but something was wrong with that profile, so I guess it could be there. I'm thinking this fish would not be considered wild based on the wording of the goal I got for the others.

[pantsofpower]

I am still short by 30 brains.
I've been right through the Underhollow and beaten all the bosses there, and I went back and scanned all the areas I've already been in, too. Could there be an area I haven't found yet?

[Jamul]

A lot more than one area! No single area has more than 10 brains.

[Hammer Up!]

Did you go to all Dumb Side parts?There is a place with 10 brains(or 9,or 8 ).

[pantsofpower]

I think I got all the Dumb Side brains... my radar isn't showing anything.
I cleaned out all the tombs, Brayka Lake, the Sleepy Woods (and adjoining secret area), the Underhollow, and the entire town. I have all the mystic hammers, all but one of the red hammers (the missing one is still in Klein's shop, actually), and all but 4 pairs of pants. And I'm missing 15 candles as well.

[Jamul]

Are you sure you know how the radar works? Most brains are in the tombs. You need to stand still for about 10 seconds (maybe it's 5) to begin detecting. If you do that, and there are no brains, it will detect the brain inside your head, so at least you know it is running. If you see no blips at all, your brain detector is not on.

[Zaratus]

This is sort of confusing. When you find the last candle you'll get a goal for 100%. When you buy the last item from the zombie with your newly found candle, you'll get a goal for buying out the shop. So if you're missing only 3, you must have one of the other two. :| Plus, there are five fishing goals. Do you have all of them? If so, please help us out with the other fish (not Glarch) Jamul mentioned. I have tried the well, but something was wrong with that profile, so I guess it could be there. I'm thinking this fish would not be considered wild based on the wording of the goal I got for the others.

I got the goal for 100% at around 91ish candles I think. I was suprised too, but I'm not complaining. The other missing fish is in the well, you'll need to start a new profile or restart your current one to get it, and just don't drain the well. I'm not sure how much fishing skill you need, I wasn't able to get it with a skill around 10, so I just maxed it out and then got it quickly.

Note - the other method used to raise your fishing skill is to kill Aquazoids. Each one you kill gets a point. It's MUCH faster to raise fishing this way while you are still at a low skill. Once you get higher though, it's probably faster to catch Brakya Bass. And the other goal I got is already mentioned - beat the game in under four hours.

So, the two I think I'm missing is the one that you need to suffer for, which has to be gotten before a different goal, and the super secret hard to find goal for solving a puzzle incorrectly. Not counting the missing candle needed to buy out the shop.

[qwertybub3]

I have the one that you must suffer for and it is gained by having all 100 candles BEFORE spending any of them.

Christian, does the well still have water in it? If so, try leveling up your fishing skill so that it is high enough.

Also, the Napfish seems to level up a random mystic hammer.

[Jamul]

You get the 100% goal early if you get the extra hammer - it awards you percentage points for the candles it figures you must have spent to get the Klein hammer as soon as you have 10 hammers.

[qwertybub3]

So Zaratus, what is goal #25 called?

[Zaratus]

Goal #25 is simply called "I'd rather be..."

As has been said before, Goal 21-25 involve fishing. #25 isn't particularly hard, just time consuming.

[CatWoman]

Christian, does the well still have water in it? If so, try leveling up your fishing skill so that it is high enough.Yes, it does. But since I'm using this profile only to get that last fish, I guess I have some serious fishing to do before I get leveled up. Thanks.

[qwertybub3]

Your welcome, and now all I need is the Secret Goal 15.

[Zaratus]

Still no luck on goal #15. =/

I found my last candle, but on my other profile I used to get the speed goal. I'm not sure exactly what candle I'm missing on the other profile, as I'm pretty sure I didn't do anything different this time through. My only guess is that a candle that dropped from an enemy got misplaced somehow (as in, behind a wall somewhere or in darkness where I can't see it.)

So, just need to play through the game yet again to get that other candle-related goal, and the mystery goal.

[pantsofpower]

Are you sure you know how the radar works? Most brains are in the tombs. You need to stand still for about 10 seconds (maybe it's 5) to begin detecting. If you do that, and there are no brains, it will detect the brain inside your head, so at least you know it is running. If you see no blips at all, your brain detector is not on.

I see the blips, but they are pointing at my head. Time to check everything again, I think.

[varkarrus]

I found my way to the upper right of the tomb and found a very dark area that I can't do anything in, plus some aquazoids where I got 2 candles using the sparkthrower. What's all this talk about glowing barrels?

[Coolguy]

Keep walking down that one tunnel that had a side-path to the aquazoids to find a new area.

[JoyceVaughn]

I am in that area too, and see the barrells, but am blocked by weeds. Is there a path through them that I haven't found yet, or do I need to do something else to unblock them?
Thanks

[pantsofpower]

That room can be illuminated using the barrels. You can steer the barrels with the arrow keys.