grounded :(

[grim3vil]

i was playing around with a sword and got my toe cut off and i wasnt sposed to be playing with the sword so im grounded for 2 weeks bye bye hamumu


i found a internet signal thats unprotected so i can play till my mum finds out

[Coolguy]

You cut off your toe!?!? :shock: Or are you just kidding? (although we won't be getting an answer to that for two weeks...)

[ALLEN2]

WOW Your toe got cut off.

[AtkinsSJ]

In case you end up reading this: DON'T PLAY WITH THE CHAINSAW!

That sounds rather painful. Also, you got grounded for that? I'd have thought that losing a toe would be enough punishment to make you not do it again. 0_o

[TyTBone]

Sorry 'bout that, son.

Um, I happened to notice your avatar is missing his head. Is that related in a anyway?

[varkarrus]

Malcolm solves ALL of his problems with his chainsaw. Whether he's got an itch, or he's missing his arm!

[LoonyBoy]

Seriously? Your toe is cut comepletely off or is it just sliced a lil bit? Anyway, now you know not to do that again. :???:

[TyTBone]

i can play till my mum finds out

Woe to this evil generation!

[bobinator1992]

Dude, if you got your toe completly cut off, getting grounded is the least of your problems.

[Ninja of Frozen Milk]

^__
o_0

[BlastOButter42]

I think more disturbing than the fact you cut off your toe is that fact that you apparently reside someplace were there are swords capable of cutting off a toe just lying around for people to play with. :p

[Julian]

And he says it so casually..... Like it happens to him EVERY DAY. :P

[grim3vil]

And he says it so casually..... Like it happens to him EVERY DAY. :P

im just angry that i got grounded my toe isnt that important and it was my lil toe it didnt hurt that bad untill 30 seconds after it happend

im kinda clumsy ive broken my arm oncy cracked my head open once and cut my toe off once

[death]

Ok. so you parents walk into the room, they see your toe over there, and you in pain. instead of rushing you to the hospital, they GROUND you! great parenting right there.

[digiscott26996]

how did u get an ill toe to start with
:confused::confused:

[PlasmaCannonsRule]

im just angry that i got grounded my toe isnt that important and it was my lil toe it didnt hurt that bad untill 30 seconds after it happend

im kinda clumsy ive broken my arm oncy cracked my head open once and cut my toe off once

That is the most disturbing post I've seen in my entire life. Casually saying he's cut his toe off, smashed his head open, and has sharp swords lying around in his house for anyone to use.

[Mr.Onion]

im just angry that i got grounded my toe isnt that important and it was my lil toe it didnt hurt that bad untill 30 seconds after it happend

im kinda clumsy ive broken my arm oncy cracked my head open once and cut my toe off once
Note: You do not have an infinite amount of blood to lose.

[Julian]

Note: You do not have an infinite amount of blood to lose.
BUt your body does produce blood.

[Ninja of Frozen Milk]

That is the most disturbing post I've seen in my entire life. Casually saying he's cut his toe off, smashed his head open, and has sharp swords lying around in his house for anyone to use.
Im with PCR, thats messed up

[varkarrus]

I never broke anything before. But, I have bruised a ligament (I still have the scars, as every now and then, my leg refuses to hold me up and I stumble. About every week or so.), and chipped a tooth (by falling off a bunk bed head first. Don't worry, it was a baby tooth, and it was a VERY long time ago.

[Mr.Onion]

BUt your body does produce blood.
Not fast enough to stop you fainting/dieing of blood loss if the injury doesn't scab over.

[Ninja of Frozen Milk]

Exsanguenation! (SP)

[WackieWatty]

how did u get an ill toe to start with
:confused::confused:

He actually said lil, short for little, so there's no need to worry.

[legomash]

You cut your TOE off? Where did you get the sword in the first place? Was it recreational, like those war reinactments or do you just have swords lying around your house? Musta realy hurt, losing a toe. I myself have never lost a limb, or broken anything, realy. At least not that I KNOW of, I get pains in my right foot all the time since recently and it sorta bends where it shouldn't bend. It wouldn't be surprising, actualy, since Im lactose intolerant and therefore dont get enough calcium so my bones aren't that strong. Anyway, woah, that must hurt. Oh, and even losing your toe is bad cos' your balance aint great after you do.

[grim3vil]

You cut your TOE off? Where did you get the sword in the first place? Was it recreational, like those war reinactments or do you just have swords lying around your house? Musta realy hurt, losing a toe. I myself have never lost a limb, or broken anything, realy. At least not that I KNOW of, I get pains in my right foot all the time since recently and it sorta bends where it shouldn't bend. It wouldn't be surprising, actualy, since Im lactose intolerant and therefore dont get enough calcium so my bones aren't that strong. Anyway, woah, that must hurt. Oh, and even losing your toe is bad cos' your balance aint great after you do.

well i was practicing ma mad skills and later i stabbed the ground and i realized i stabbed my toe off

i have a bunch of weapons lying around ma house

my mum always tells me to use swords safely so when i did cut it off after they rushed me to hospital they grounded me

[Megadog]

You have lost one phalangee (SP?). You have 19 left! But seriously, I have about 9 or 10 different weapons lying around my house, and I have learned the martial arts required for almost all of them! Only numb chucks to go! I even have a traditional English long bow and, if I go to a certain part of England, I can use it to shoot Scotsmen (Legally!)! But I won't. That's mean!

[Connor S.]

You have lost one phalangee (SP?). You have 19 left! But seriously, I have about 9 or 10 different weapons lying around my house, and I have learned the martial arts required for almost all of them! Only numb chucks to go! I even have a traditional English long bow and, if I go to a certain part of England, I can use it to shoot Scotsmen (Legally!)! But I won't. That's mean!

Uh... Wow... How do I respond to that post?

MEAN?

Mean doesnt even begin to cover it! You just talked about going over and killing people! Legally! And all you had to say about it was it was mean! Understatement of the year, more like... Its MURDER. I am completely amazed at some peoples COMEPLETE Disregard for others, A life is a life. It doesnt matter if its foreign. I can honestly say that I have disliked many people before, Im not even ashamed of it, but Ive NEVER even THOUGHT about killing. SERIOUSLY.

[/rant]

Also- Nunchuku are really easy to handle once you learn the basics. I whirl mine around wildly all the time. Its fun. XD

[CheeseLord]

Connor, there's a very strange English law that's never been officially repealed (although I'm fairly sure it regarded a crossbow rather than a longbow) that Megadog is referring to. No one is considering murder.

Having cut off a fingertip myself when I was little, I find it very hard to believe that you could write off cutting off your toe.

[Connor S.]

Even if it was some law concerning some kind of war or whatever that basically declared open season on the scots some time ago, And simply has passed by unoticed by the government this whole time (which I find hard to believe, if a bunch of hamumu users spotted it >_>) Its still murder.

I also think its really disgusting anyone would ever pass such a law anyways, especially since it hanst even been repealed yet. I wouldnt exactly call that a strange law, I would call it something else, but then Jamul would be forced to come over here and murderlize my post, so Ill refrain from completely asploding to bits.

[CheeseLord]

The strange part is that it's legal only if you shoot a Scotsman between the eyes at the stroke of midnight with a crossbow in a particular courtyard. No one has gotten around to repealing it simply for the reason it's a lot of paperwork to fix a loophole that very rarely sees use. There aren't all that many people who would commit murder, and those that would take the time and effort to convince someone to come to the courtyard knowing the rule (if I know it, it has to be well known there), get a crossbow, learn how to aim it very well, and carry through with it are rarer still.

[AtkinsSJ]

There are loads of weird laws that went out of date but haven't been changed. I'm pretty sure the deeds to my house state that we're not allowed to boil bones on the property.

[TyTBone]

[/rant]


Indeed. :D

After watching American Dad my opinion on gun control has changed a little. (I still hate that show because it's very biased in it's portrayal of conservatives and liberals.) I certainly still believe in the right to bear arms, but Americans don't need 40 different kinds of sub-machine guns.
I was thinking at one point about getting a small Glock for home protection and for popping tin cans, but then I thought about the responsibility. It's fine for people who feel they can handle such weaponry, but personally, I'd prefer a weapon that wouldn't kill so instantaneously. I'd rather cause a burglar a heck of a lot of pain (to the point of stopping him and forcing him to get his life together in prison or something like that) than kill him. Do they make, like, machine guns that shoot BBs or something? :)

There are loads of weird laws that went out of date but haven't been changed.

Oh yeah. Pretty easy to find some on Google, too.

[Connor S.]

Believe it or not, BBs can be lethal. They would just have to be very close range, and moving very quickly. Putting them inot a machine gun would certainly fill on of those requirements, so it kind of defeats the purpose of "a lot of pain". A good option is to go with a tazor, but unfortunately, I dont think that qualifies as a legal firearm. Another possibility is to simply aim for less vital body parts, such as the leg.

Another point to consider is to use the lowest caliber possible if your not aiming to kill... >_>

[AtkinsSJ]

There's a growing problem with knife-crime in the UK. It could easily be solved by making guns legal.

More relevant to your point, shooting people is a bad idea, full stop.

[TyTBone]

Believe it or not, BBs can be lethal. I sort of figured that, but just didn't mention it. A good option is to go with a tazor, but unfortunately, I dont think that qualifies as a legal firearm. I'd want to be able to stop someone who was trying to get away, and a tazor wouldn't work for that option. Another possibility is to simply aim for less vital body parts, such as the leg. True dat, but I'd probably miss...


Another point to consider is to use the lowest caliber possible if your not aiming to kill... >_>Does that mean the size of the bullet? What type of guns would use the lowest caliber?

More relevant to your point, shooting people is a bad idea, full stop. But sometimes, in rare situations, it has to be done.

[Connor S.]

I agree with your point there, Atkins. Shooting really is horrible, but the US seems to think everyone should be allowed to wield deadly weapons on people in self defense, which on the one hand I agree with. I mean, if someone has broken into your home with the full intention of killing you and your family, they arent going to play by the rules and not bring a gun. So, even if I dont really AGREE with the US, I can see WHY they allow it, so respecting that, I was simply trying to sugest less lethal methods of subduing evil criminals.

EDIT: Typically, smaller caliber bullets have a smaller diameter, but seeing as Im hardly an expert, google is your friend. Although I am pretty sure the smaller the barrel of the gun, the smaller a bullet has to be to fit inside. >_>

[TyTBone]

I mean, if someone has broken into your home with the full intention of killing you and your family... I'd have to say the same thing about robbing. I'm really not a materialistic person, but... I was simply trying to sugest less lethal methods of subduing evil criminals. It depends on their level of "evility". :p

There's a growing problem with knife-crime in the UK. And drive-by insults, right?


The war in Iraq aside, I'm assuming you'll still agree a functioning military is necessary in a world such as this.

[SpiderPumpkin]

I was simply trying to sugest less lethal methods of subduing evil criminals.
Yeah, like on the Police Academy cartoon. Firing glue from a bazooka for the win.

Seriously, though, using any kind of lethal weapon against a living being is never the way to go imo.
a functioning military is necessary in a world such as this.
You know, if nobody had military forces to attack with, nobody would need any to defend themselves -o.-o

[TyTBone]

You know, if nobody had military forces to attack with, nobody would need any to defend themselves -o.-o

So would you suggest Germany doing away with its military?

I get what you're saying, but it would require EVERYONE to do away with ALL of their military applications and such... (Also, it's certainly fine that you answered, but I was actually asking Connor.)

Seriously, though, using any kind of lethal weapon against a living being is never the way to go imo. What about flies?

[drgamer]

Only if everyone else does. But then, thats what the alien invasion force is waiting for.

[SpiderPumpkin]

So would you suggest Germany doing away with its military?
*Chuckles* The Bundeswehr is a joke anyway; if we were to be attacked by any country's military forces, we'd have nothing but roleplaying nerds to send against them. Not that anyone ever would attack us. Seriously, I don't see how the German military is neccessary in any way. It does provide jobs, though, so I guess it'll have to stay. We already have colossal amounts of unemployment.

EDIT:
What about flies?
I normally catch flies in a glass or something and put them outside. I never killed an insect on purpose, and nobody should, especially since there's no reason to do that. Or do you kill people just because they "annoy you"? I think not. Then don't kill flies either.

[BlastOButter42]

TyTBone: Get a Taser (http://www.taser.com/products/consumers/Pages/C2.aspx).

I don't believe guns should be completely illegal -- people should be allowed to own them for self-defense and hunting purposes and such. But there should be far more stringent laws regarding who can own them and how you get a permit. I mean, to drive a car, you have to be of a certain age and take tests to prove you know how to use it properly -- and that's for something that's not designed to kill people! :shock: How hard could it be to have a similar, but much more thorough, process for getting a gun license (which would also include criminal record and background checks, etc.)?

[Mr.Onion]

*Chuckles* The Bundeswehr is a joke anyway; if we were to be attacked by any country's military forces, we'd have nothing but roleplaying nerds to send against them. Not that anyone ever would attack us. Seriously, I don't see how the German military is neccessary in any way. It does provide jobs, though, so I guess it'll have to stay. We already have colossal amounts of unemployment.

An all-out war between two developed countries is very nearly impossible, due to the magical thing called "the bomb." :p

[TyTBone]

Seriously, I don't see how the German military is necessary in any way. Wow! Well, if you honestly believe that, there's no point in me trying to argue for a military. :p

Do you kill people just because they "annoy you"? Mimes.

I normally catch flies in a glass or something and put them outside. Interesting.

Then don't kill flies either. This would go back to our argument about intelligence and such in animals. I'd argue that flies are so rampant, do nothing useful other than eat animal carcasses (and other things which you are free to mention), and are just utterly-programmed beings, so killing them isn't equal to killing a human. And you would argue something else. And we'd be stuck.

Sooooooo...

Penguins.

[TyTBone]

TyTBone: Get a Taser (http://www.taser.com/products/consumers/Pages/C2.aspx). But those can't be used from a distance, right? I might have one, but I'd also want something to disable evildoers who are trying to flee consequences and such. :p

I don't believe guns should be completely illegal -- people should be allowed to own them for self-defense and hunting purposes and such. But there should be far more stringent laws regarding who can own them and how you get a permit. I agree with you for the most part, but I don't know now what precautions are taken in the US.

An all-out war between two developed countries is very nearly impossible, due to the magical thing called "the bomb." :p

You mean it prevents one country from having the "guts" to attack another?

[SpiderPumpkin]

Well, if you honestly believe that, there's no point in me trying to argue for a military. :p
What, were you expecting me to not believe that? Oo This isn't Nazi Germany anymore, you know. People here don't think war and military are fun.
flies [...] do nothing useful other than eat animal carcasses
So what do humans do that is "useful"?
and are just utterly-programmed beings, so killing them isn't equal to killing a human.
They still feel pain, though, don't they? If it can feel pain, don't make it feel pain.

...

Sometimes, I'd like to imagine what would happen if flies grew to a gigantic size and started killing humans with fly-swatters. Just think about that for a moment. -o.-o
You mean it prevents one country from having the "guts" to attack another?
It's not about "guts", you know. It's about preventing a potential global nuclear war from happening. If a nuclear war happens world-wide, nobody wins. In fact, everyone dies.

EDIT: Wow, to think this topic was originally about someone cutting his toe off...

[Mr.Onion]

You mean it prevents one country from having the "guts" to attack another?

It is rather suicidal to attack when both of you have the weaponry to raze all of each other's cities within 2 hours, as well as destroy the global ecology, destroy the ozone layer (making sunlight lethal) and kill the best part of 95% of all life on the planet.

EDIT: Also, edits made a couple of minutes after the post are confusing.

[TyTBone]

People here don't think war and military are fun. I didn't say fun! Defense for a stable, "good" government is important. War in reality is never fun; it may be necessary, but never fun.

So what do humans do that is "useful"? SP, do you honestly believe that flies have done more "useful" things than humans?

They still feel pain, though, don't they? I don't know.

If it can feel pain, don't make it feel pain. I'm not going to stop swatting flies, but I'll make their deaths quick, if that's what you want.

Sometimes, I'd like to imagine what would happen if flies grew to a gigantic size and started killing humans with fly-swatters. You relish that thought? Ummmm... what am I suppose to say?

It's not about "guts", you know. That's why I put "guts" in quotation marks. I meant that civilized countries don't (normally) go attacking each other because they know the repercussions of bormbs.

It is rather suicidal to attack when both of you have the weaponry to raze all of each other's cities within 2 hours, as well as destroy the global ecology, destroy the ozone layer (making sunlight lethal) and kill the best part of 95% of all life on the planet.
Again, I put "guts" in quotations for a reason...


EDIT: Wow, to think this topic was originally about someone cutting his toe off...Lol. Indeed. :p

[BlastOButter42]

But those can't be used from a distance, right? I might have one, but I'd also want something to disable evildoers who are trying to flee consequences and such. :p

The one I linked to can be used to from up to 15 feet away -- maybe not far enough to stop someone who's running away, but definitely good enough to stop someone who is about to attack you. :D It works by shooting a pair of electrodes out of the front of the gun and zapping them with enough electricity to affect the person's nervous system, which will stop anyone.

This would go back to our argument about intelligence and such in animals. I'd argue that flies are so rampant, do nothing useful other than eat animal carcasses (and other things which you are free to mention), and are just utterly-programmed beings, so killing them isn't equal to killing a human. And you would argue something else. And we'd be stuck.
And wait -- humans aren't? I mean, not literally, obviously, but I thought along the same lines up to a few months ago: flies are a nuisance for everyone and since there's so many of them killing one that's bugging you isn't a big deal. But when you consider what we're doing to the planet, like pollution that's killing countless animals, and the prospect of drastic climate change, aren't we a "nuisance" to all the other animals on this planet? If we're allowed to kill a fly because it's annoying us, or a mouse because it's eating our food, would a mouse then be justified in killing one of us? Plus, since there's so many of us, would it really be a big deal?

If you think of it that way, it seems pretty compelling to me. But I still have moustraps under my counter.

[Mr.Onion]

But when you consider what we're doing to the planet, like pollution that's killing countless animals, and the prospect of drastic climate change, aren't we a "nuisance" to all the other animals on this planet?

They just don't realise.

[TyTBone]

And wait -- humans aren't?

Humans aren't intelligent?


I mean, not literally, obviously, but I thought along the same lines up to a few months ago: flies are a nuisance for everyone and since there's so many of them killing one that's bugging you isn't a big deal. But when you consider what we're doing to the planet, like pollution that's killing countless animals, and the prospect of drastic climate change, aren't we a "nuisance" to all the other animals on this planet? If we're allowed to kill a fly because it's annoying us, or a mouse because it's eating our food, would a mouse then be justified in killing one of us? Plus, since there's so many of us, would it really be a big deal?
That is a compelling argument... any statistics on the number of flies in the world vs. the number of people? (About 7 billion people, right?)

Also, on a practical level...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housefly#Flies_and_humans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housefly#As_a_causative_agent_of_diseases

Many of us use toilets.

[bobinator1992]

Hey SpiderPumpkin, how do you feel about wasps and mosquitos? I kill as many as I can. They serve no purpose other than to cause pain to people (and possibly kill them if they're allergic), so it's more self-defence than anything else.

[TyTBone]

Hey SpiderPumpkin, how do you feel about wasps and mosquitos? I kill as many as I can. They serve no purpose other than to cause pain to people (and possibly kill them if they're allergic), so it's more self-defence than anything else.

Also compelling.

[SpiderPumpkin]

SP, do you honestly believe that flies have done more "useful" things than humans?
No, but I do really think that humans have never done anything to globally be considered "useful". Anything "useful" a human does is mainly useful to humans. When a fly feeds on something, it's useful to the fly.
Then again, nobody should ever judge someone on how "useful" they are. Might as well kill total strangers because they've never done anything for you.
I don't know.
They do.
I'm not going to stop swatting flies,
Great, stay a murderer.
They serve no purpose other than to cause pain to people (and possibly kill them if they're allergic), so it's more self-defence than anything else.
Again, how much someone's life is worth should never be based on "purpose". We're not in the dark ages anymore, are we?

[BlastOButter42]

Hey SpiderPumpkin, how do you feel about wasps and mosquitos? I kill as many as I can. They serve no purpose other than to cause pain to people (and possibly kill them if they're allergic), so it's more self-defence than anything else.

Would it be self-defense for a fly to kill you because you release 20.5 tons of greenhouse gases per year, or because you buy products whose production releases pollution into the environment?

No, but I do really think that humans have never done anything to globally be considered "useful". Anything "useful" a human does is mainly useful to humans. When a fly feeds on something, it's useful to the fly.

Exactly.

(I know I'm getting kind of silly now. Of course I don't really, practically, think that way. But it's definitely interesting to consider.)

[BlastOButter42]

Oops -- delete this post please.

[TyTBone]

No, but I do really think that humans have never done anything to globally be considered "useful". Gasp! What about Jamul?! ;) Seriously, what about the Internet?

Might as well kill total strangers because they've never done anything for you. But they've done useful things for others.

They do. Please give me a link to a site that says so.

Great, stay a murderer. :shock: I find that incredibly judgmental, hippie.


Again, how much someone's life is worth should never be based on "purpose". I'm bouncing that thought around in my head right now.

Oops -- delete this post please. Belated!

[SpiderPumpkin]

Gasp! What about Jamul?! ;) Seriously, what about the Internet?
The Internet wouldn't be useful to space monsters invading Earth. So you are saying you'd allow space monsters to kill us all? Because, you know, it wouldn't be a bad thing to do. We haven't done anything useful for them, have we?
Please give me a link to a site that says so.
http://www.bugsforthugs.com/2007/06/30/ask-an-entomologist-can-an-insect-percieve-its-surrounding-or-feel-pain/
This guy says yes, though the case on insect pain is actually not quite closed.
:shock: I find that incredibly judgmental, hippie.
It's not judgemental, it's a fact; since you're purposefully killing living beings, that makes you a murderer.

[TyTBone]

It's not judgemental, it's a fact; since you're purposefully killing living beings, that makes you a murderer.

By that line of logic, should I go ahead and kill humans, since I'm already murdering flies, since they're supposedly equal? On the other hand, should I not wash my hands with soap, since I'm killing bacteria?

Oh, and thanks for the link. I'm probably not going to swatting flies, but it's still an interesting read.

The Internet wouldn't be useful to space monsters invading Earth. So you are saying you'd allow space monsters to kill us all? That's why we need guns and a military! Because, you know, it wouldn't be a bad thing to do. We haven't done anything useful for them, have we? I'd have to ask them to find out.

[SpiderPumpkin]

By that line of logic, should I go ahead and kill humans, since I'm already murdering flies, since they're supposedly equal?
No, you should stop killing flies since they're equal.
That's why we need guns and a military!
To kill the space monsters for trying to kill you because you're not useful to them? So you'd appreciate it if a fly killed you?

[TyTBone]

No, you should stop killing flies since they're equal.

I'm just going to flat out say that I don't believe I and other human beings (and many other animals) are equal to flies.

I'd also appreciate an answer to my question about bacteria.


To kill the space monsters for trying to kill you because you're not useful to them? So you'd appreciate it if a fly killed you?Sure, why not.

EDIT: Meh, that was rude of me. I don't know what else to say, other than, in the end what does it matter? We're all going to die and that's it, supposedly.

[SpiderPumpkin]

I'm just going to flat out say that I don't believe I and other human beings (and many other animals) are equal to flies.
Believe what you want, I still don't agree with your opinion.
I'd also appreciate an answer to my question about bacteria.
I have no ethical opinion towards things not classified as plants or animals.
We're all going to die and that's it, supposedly.
I don't think "and that's it" is what's being taught in Christian belief. Not that I'm religious like that or anything, just mentioning it because I believe you once stated you were.

Now, I'm off to eat someone's parents.

[Connor S.]

Um... Killing is bad. yah.

[Wesley]

...It's both odd and interesting when things get off topic. I kind of like reading the discussions. On topic, however, I freak out if I sprain something. I don't even want to imagine what a lost toe would feel like. ...Or a cracked head... *Shudders*

[Mr.Onion]

The Internet wouldn't be useful to space monsters invading Earth.
Once they work out how HTTP works, and how to read English, yes, it would.

I have no ethical opinion towards things not classified as plants or animals.
So just because flies have more cells, they are more important?

[SpiderPumpkin]

Once they work out how HTTP works, and how to read English, yes, it would.
I was talking about the initial impression here. By the time they actually take the time to figure out how the Internet works, we're all probably dead already. ;P
So just because flies have more cells, they are more important?
I never said that, did I?

[Connor S.]

Hes refering to when you said killing bacteria was fine, and so Hes saying that if something has more cells then bacteria, you believe it should live, but if it doesnt, it is ok to kill it.

Anyways, in my humble opinion, I believe you should just let nature take its course. I never randomly kill things that are botrhering me, large or small. But if something is actually a harm to me, in self defense, I wil kill it without a second thought. Its the way nature was MEANT to be. If something approaches something else that is bigger, with the express intent on harming it, its very very stupid.

When I was three, I was bitten by a spider, right on my forearm. For a couple of days, we monitered the bite, using pen to circle the red part so we could see if it got any bigger. Eventually, it had gotten so big, we had to go to the hospital. When we got there, they IMEDIATELY rushed us into emergency, which is very unusual for our hospital, where a doctor froze my arm, and then cut the WHOLE chunk of the bite out, before the freezing even took effect. It hurt... He actually said that if we had gotten there any later, I would have had to have my arm cut off.

Now, we never saw what kind of spider it was, whether it was a new highly venomous spewcies, or I simply have an allergic reaction to normal piders, but nevertheless, since that day, Ive killed every spider I see, because I dont really want to die.

However, I still feel remorse for them strangely. Whenever a creature dies, even in insect, I always wince and look at it from its poiunt of view. Despite that, Im never really SRRY for doing it afterwards, it was either me or him.

So to sum up, I think if the creature is actually going to harm you, its perfectly ok to harm them back, using whatever force you deem neccessary, because thats the way nature intended. However, I dont think flys are capable of harming me unless they fly right down my throat. Normally. But as I said somewhere else, Ive had to kill them too so that there arent maggots everywhere in our food.

[SpiderPumpkin]

Hes refering to when you said killing bacteria was fine
I never said killing bacteria was fine. I said I had no ethic opinion on the killing of bacteria.
If something approaches something else that is bigger, with the express intent on harming it, its very very stupid.
Blood-sucking insects at least don't really have much of a choice than to "attack" creatures bigger than themselves, though.
since that day, Ive killed every spider I see
You mean like people wanting to kill every muslim because of the 9/11 terrorist attacks? You can't kill every spider just because of what one individual spider did to you, especially since many kinds of spiders aren't even capable of inflicting serious harm on a human even if they wanted to. Do the spiders a favour and inform yourself about which kinds of spiders are actually dangerous.

[Connor S.]

Spider pumpkin, you dont seem to understand. I am ALLERGIC to ALL spider bites. they are very nearly FATAL to me. I will therefore KILL them ALL.

Also- On the topic of blood sucking insects, I ussually leave them alone, as they arent actually inflicting HARM on me. a few tiny drops of blood certainly isnt going to hurt me. Although I think for those people that absolutely HAVE to kill them, you should get a pond and put a frog or something in there, and let nature take its course, instead of intervening.

EDIT: sorry for going all caps on you, but I wanted to make sure I got my point across...

Also- I found that muslim metaphor very offensive, just because you would honestly asscosiate me with that kind of evil...

[SpiderPumpkin]

Spider pumpkin, you dont seem to understand. I am ALLERGIC to ALL spider bites. they are very nearly FATAL to me. I will therefore KILL them ALL.
In your post above, you stated that you didn't know whether you were allergic to spider bites. Also, there are some types of spiders which can't even really bite humans because their fangs are too small.
Also- I found that muslim metaphor very offensive, just because you would honestly asscosiate me with that kind of evil...
Wasn't my intention to offend you, but it's pretty much the same basic way of thinking -o_-o

[Connor S.]

Indeed, sorry for being unclear, but after the fact, we went to see a doctor, who confirmed that the bite was characteristic of a normally none venomous spider or something wierd like that, and he therefor said I had to be allergic to them.

Also- Id rather not take the chance with the whole tiny fang spiders. I know, your going to come back saying, "But, that means just because most spiders hurt you, your going to kill even the harmless ones!" Well, to be honest, yes, I am. The reason? they all look pretty much alike. Not exactly, but close enough I certainly cant tell the difference. Seeing as its the difference between life and death in some extreme cases, (such as a bite on the neck) I am just unwilling to take the chance.

But reading my post further up, Ive stated that I feel remorse for killing them even though I have to. Im not saying I kill all of them in cold blood. I DO have a conscienaghsakjhdfoajdf (sp?)

[Mr.Onion]

I never said killing bacteria was fine. I said I had no ethic opinion on the killing of bacteria.
Which, unless I'm misinterpreting you, is a way of saying "I don't care what happens to them."

[Ninja of Frozen Milk]

ahemOFF TOPIC MUCH?!

[Connor S.]

Nah...

Um, toes are important. Every single nerve connection in your body has a corrosponding area in the foot somewhere, (or something like that) which means losing a toe menas losing one or two of those corosponding areas.

Reflexes can be useful.

[Baconstrips]

In the Christian perspective, flies are animals which were put here to serve us. Killing a mouse for trying to eat is just wrong! needlessly harming anything (including spiders) is wrong, but I say if they have a chance of killing or harming you (which spiders sometimes do, and flies actually do to because they carry BAD diseases) killing them is stopping them from doing something harmful.

[grim3vil]

all your long confusing words and your small mini-jumbo words are confusing my scapula and liver

how did the discussion of my cutt of toe lead to talking about killing people and flies with knives and guns

[bobinator1992]

all your long confusing words and your small mini-jumbo words are confusing my scapula and liver

how did the discussion of my cutt of toe lead to talking about killing people and flies with knives and guns

You should have been there the time we started talking about how bad the new Sonic games have gotten over a topic about Regeneratizor (spelling?) drawn like a cartoon.

[SpiderPumpkin]

killing people and flies with knives and guns
Flies with knives and guns... that's the stuff of nightmares.
You should have been there the time we started talking about how bad the new Sonic games have gotten over a topic about Regeneratizor (spelling?) drawn like a cartoon.
I thought that discussion was about clocks.

[Ninja of Frozen Milk]

Nah...

Um, toes are important. Every single nerve connection in your body has a corrosponding area in the foot somewhere, (or something like that) which means losing a toe menas losing one or two of those corosponding areas.

Reflexes can be useful.
Hmm... according to my book on reflexology (Don't Ask) There are no special reflexal nerve endings on your little toe, if he cut below his 2nd littlest toe or the "ring toe" he might've had ear pain.

[Megadog]

In the Christian perspective, flies are animals which were put here to serve us. Killing a mouse for trying to eat is just wrong! needlessly harming anything (including spiders) is wrong, but I say if they have a chance of killing or harming you (which spiders sometimes do, and flies actually do to because they carry BAD diseases) killing them is stopping them from doing something harmful.
Wait, so if a mouse eats your food, killing it is wrong, but if a fly tries to eat your food, then killing it is O.K? I thought that if it is stealing your stuff, then you can kill it.

[Ninja of Frozen Milk]

Nah Its because flys are annoying and ugly but mice are (normaly) cute and (possibly) cuddly

[SpiderPumpkin]

flys are annoying and ugly
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7729/flitau7.jpg

Flit does not approve.

[drgamer]

So... I can't kill flys now? How about mosquitoes?

[ALLEN2]

reallyOFF TOPIC!!

[Sillyman]

Hey, SpiderPumpkin, would you kill a murderer? Or, say, a person convicted of manslaughter? If so, then kill flies, mosquitoes, and other such things, because they kill people by spreading disease. If not, then I suggest building a jail for them, where you keep them alive, but in tortuous conditions and isolated from society.

[SpaceManiac]

reallyOF TOPIC!!


It is most certainly of topic. :p

[Coolguy]

Heh, Connor, you're not going to convince somebody named Spider Pumpkin that killing spiders is a decent idea. :p

And killing somebody for manslaughter!?!? That's completely and totally immoral!!! Everybody makes mistakes and has accidents, and yes, somebody making a mistake that causes somebody else to die should be punished, but with DEATH? The entire reason for law and punishment is to keep people from doing bad things, and if you're going to go out executing people for making mistakes and accidents, do you really believe that will decrease the amount of mistakes and accidents?

Although I don't really agree completely with what I'm about to say, I'll say it anyways: Sillyman, guess what else accidentally spreads disease? Dogs, cats, and other mammals (including humans!) carrying fleas and ticks! Do flies, mosquitos, and other creatures deserve death for accidentally carrying parasites within them? :p

[TyTBone]

Although I don't really agree completely with what I'm about to say, I'll say it anyways: Sillyman, guess what else accidentally spreads disease? Dogs, cats, and other mammals (including humans!) carrying fleas and ticks! Do flies, mosquitos, and other creatures deserve death for accidentally carrying parasites within them? :p

So, nothing should be killed ever?! :shock:

[BlastOButter42]

Pretty much, yeah, in an ideal society -- but that's never going to be practical. Which is why, as I say, though I don't like the idea of killing anything unnecessarily at all, we still keep mouse traps around the house.

[TyTBone]

Pretty much, yeah, in an ideal society... Well, yeah, sure, but - like you essentially said - that's never going to happen through human efforts.

I don't like the idea of killing anything unnecessarily at all... Now, the question is, if that thing threatens your survival (like a mosquito), should you kill it? I can't help but feel some people are saying, "No." :???:

And killing somebody for manslaughter!?!? That's completely and totally immoral!!! Everybody makes mistakes and has accidents, and yes, somebody making a mistake that causes somebody else to die should be punished, but with DEATH? The entire reason for law and punishment is to keep people from doing bad things, and if you're going to go out executing people for making mistakes and accidents, do you really believe that will decrease the amount of mistakes and accidents?


The key is "mistakes" and "accidents". What if that person knowingly and willingly killed 30 people? Sure, it was a mistake, but it was a MUCH bigger mistake than killing a fly or even just one person.

[Sillyman]

Heh, Connor, you're not going to convince somebody named Spider Pumpkin that killing spiders is a decent idea. :p

And killing somebody for manslaughter!?!? That's completely and totally immoral!!! Everybody makes mistakes and has accidents, and yes, somebody making a mistake that causes somebody else to die should be punished, but with DEATH? The entire reason for law and punishment is to keep people from doing bad things, and if you're going to go out executing people for making mistakes and accidents, do you really believe that will decrease the amount of mistakes and accidents?

Although I don't really agree completely with what I'm about to say, I'll say it anyways: Sillyman, guess what else accidentally spreads disease? Dogs, cats, and other mammals (including humans!) carrying fleas and ticks! Do flies, mosquitos, and other creatures deserve death for accidentally carrying parasites within them? :p

If you can't kill the parasites themselves, then maybe. Maybe just isolation. Hey, you know how they handle insanity-or-disease-caused manslaughter? They confine them and work on curing them until they are cured. We should do the same thing with flies then.

[Mr.Onion]

What if that person knowingly and willingly killed 30 people?
If it's an accident, they don't willingly commit it, (Accidents don't have intent by definition) and if it's not an accident, it's murder, not manslaughter.

[SpiderPumpkin]

Hey, SpiderPumpkin, would you kill a murderer? Or, say, a person convicted of manslaughter? If so, then kill flies, mosquitoes, and other such things, because they kill people by spreading disease. If not, then I suggest building a jail for them, where you keep them alive, but in tortuous conditions and isolated from society.
There's one vital difference between murderers and disease-spreading insects: The murderer willingly kills someone. Don't punish the insects for things they didn't mean to do.
Don't know if this response still matters, didn't feel like reading through the other posts. Meh. Why is this even still going on? It's obvious people have their own opinions and aren't going to change them, methinks, so discussing this kind of thing is pretty much a waste of time since we end up exactly where we started.

[souperzombie]

Chocolate rain...

[TyTBone]

Odd...a repeat of what's below!

[TyTBone]

There's one vital difference between murderers and disease-spreading insects: The murderer willingly kills someone. Don't punish the insects for things they didn't mean to do.
Don't know if this response still matters, didn't feel like reading through the other posts. Meh. Why is this even still going on? It's obvious people have their own opinions and aren't going to change them, methinks, so discussing this kind of thing is pretty much a waste of time since we end up exactly where we started.

I don't know. :) I guess I just can't bring myself to understand why you wouldn't kill anything that would hurt you back. (Or maybe you didn't totally mean that. Meh!)

I guess we can't get past the "everything's equal" part. You appear believe all beings have a right to be alive, while I disagree in some cases.

Chocolate rain... http://www.sportsrumblings.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/chocolate-rain2.JPG

[bobinator1992]

Sorry. :(

But anyway, what IS this chocolate rain thing?

Anyway, somebody with your username shouldn't be defending flies, Spiderpumpkin. ;)

[SpiderPumpkin]

what IS this chocolate rain thing?
It's a song made by a guy who looks like Steve Urkel but has a deeper voice. There's a Wikipedia article on it. Don't ask me how it relates to the topic, though.
somebody with your username shouldn't be defending flies, Spiderpumpkin. ;)
Meh, I just chose the name of some random Hamumu game (or, in this case, Jamül Software game) character for my username back then :P

[TyTBone]

It's a song made by a guy who looks like Steve Urkel but has a deeper voice.

Excellent description! We should move from the ethical license of killing or not killing flies to a guy that looks like Steve Erkel. Discuss...

I thought him breathing away from the microphone was totally unnecessary. A sucking noise adds depth to an otherwise go-with-the-flow-of-music-labels song. :o

Also, I think he should create a video of him in the exact same position, but letting out a huge belch instead.