Mafia A14 - Experimental Game

[Mr.Onion]

Yeah-- you're all gonna be in this experimental game
And even though I can't explain it
I already know how great it's

I already know the ending it's
The part that makes your face implode
I don't know what makes your face implode
But that's the way mafia ends...


Players
AtkinsSJ
CatWoman
Cheeselord
Coolguy
drgamer
regeneratorizer
Roland
Sillyman
WackieWatty

Role PMs
I'm going to try posting the role PMs for this game, so that quoting your role PM isn't game-breaking.

There are 0 or more of the following roles in the game:

Angel
You are an angel, and you want to kill every non-townie role. (Not very angelic, but still.) You can dance upon the head of the pin, but since the time span for taunting the philosphers is so limited, you can only do it for one night. Unfortunatly, you did have a lover, but he threw his body off a building.

Bee of the Bird of the Moth
Everything's deforming in the presence of the swarming of the bee of the bird of the moth. You can heal and protect people from attacks using the shipment of electronics sent by the tangerine-coloured nuclear submarine, and the windscreen washer fluid. Don't ask how, I don't know either.

Dr. Worm
You are Dr. Worm, and are improving at playing the drums. You can protect someone by sending me a PM with their name every night.

Father
Someday mother will die, and you'll get the money. If your mother, X, is lynched before you are killed, and is not killed by other means, you win. If either they die by non-lynch, or you die before they do, you lose. Y is also trying to kill you, so watch out.

Grandmother
Someday, you'll die, and your son will get the money. But before then, you want to take out your revenge on him, by killing /his/ son, X. If X dies by lynching, you win. If he dies by anything else, or you are killed before he is, you lose. Please be aware that your son Y is actively trying to kill you.

Hotel Detective
You are a Hotel Detective. You've got an ear to the walls, and taps in all the phones, and you can use that information to determine someone's alignment. Although, you may fall into the “talking about the other thing” trap when listening.

Inspector
You are the inspector over the mines, in the place where there's no-one vacationing. Your metal detector is with you all of the time, and you can use it to covertly search anyone for firearms. Due to the discarded folderal, you may not get an absolutly accurate reading, however.

Mesopatamians
You are either Sargon, Hammurabi, Ashurbanipal, or Gilgamesh, and since the PMs are identical, I'll skip the song/references. You can chat with X, Y, Z and Ω during the night.

Not-Broom
You are not his broom. Whose broom you are not I'm not sure, but you are not his broom regardless. You don't have any special powers, and you win when all non-townie roles have been killed.

Scott Bower
Your lifestyle determines your deathstyle, but you shouldn't worry about that, since you can hide in inadequetly explored places to avoid attacks from anyone who might want to kill you. However, you can only do this every second night.

Son
You are after a fortune in inheritance, and so want to kill X, your father. If he is lynched, you win, unless you die before he does. If he is killed by anything other than a lynch, you lose. Oh yes, and you're grandmother, Y, is after you.

Suspect Chemist
You are a chemist working in a governmental chemicals lab. You are utterly convinced that the government is out to get you, and are anxiosly awaiting the rise of the Shadow Government. Due to the “junk” you have collected in your efforts, you will appear guilty on any cop searches. It's a bad, bad world.

The Statue
Your objective is to survive until the end of the game, and kill everyone else. You can do this by sending me your target's name in a PM. And when you do, all they'll find is just a statue standing where the statue got them high.


It is Night 1, and roles are being assigned! PM me if you have any problems.

[Mr.Onion]

Unfortunately, the role assignment has been delayed by around 20 hours. Apologies for the inconvenience.

[Coolguy]

Awww, no mafia roles revealed? Oh, well!

*Awaits role... and hopes he's town... and hopes he survives night 1:p*

[SpaceManiac]

Why, it's the statue, obviously.

[drgamer]

All the advice I have for you is: Don't Blink.

[Coolguy]

Alright, 2 questions:

1) Are there any roles in this game that aren't on this list? (like another mafia?

2) What exactly is the win goal of the chemist? It just says he's waiting for the shadow government!

[Mr.Onion]

Alright, 2 questions:

1) Are there any roles in this game that aren't on this list? (like another mafia?

No, but some of the PMs might not be exactly as listed. (i.e, There might be less/more than 4 Mesopatamians.)


2) What exactly is the win goal of the chemist? It just says he's waiting for the shadow government!
His win goal is to survive.


It is now properly Night 1, and roles have been randomly dispatched.

[Mr.Onion]

Day 1

The sun rises, along with a column of smoke. The collective town rush to investigate, but they only find a rather charred chair, with little wisps of smoke. The screaming fire engine sirens fill the air, as you discover just a miniature statue standing where the statue got Cheeselord high.

It takes 5 votes to lynch!

Cheeselord was the Detective, and gets a last gasp.

[AtkinsSJ]

So, it seems that the statue is the mafia, not that that really helps in any way. I simply don't have anything more useful to say, other than the fact that Cheeselord is probably not a member of the mafia.

[Mr.Onion]

Oops, I forgot a crucial detail. *edits in*

[regeneratorizer]

A/the cop is gone, bah. I'd be interested in hearing whom he inspected last night..

[CheeseLord]

Well, for what it's worth, drgamer isn't mafia. From the way the PM was phrased, I would guess he's probably a lyncher. I'll leave you to work out your own conclusions in regard to who he's trying to lynch. That person would not be mafia either.

I'm getting rather tired of dying on Night 1, and I've run out of creative ways to prevent this from happening. Fortunately, this won't be a problem next game, as I will be hosting. Please sign up. Other than that, all I have to say is "Cheese Is Good." Oh, and the preemptive "I told you so."

[regeneratorizer]

Yay, proven townie.

Alright, so that's one townie and one mafia accounted for.. Anyone else have any good information? ..Not much to go on.

[WackieWatty]

Have another look at the detective's role:

You are a Hotel Detective. You've got an ear to the walls, and taps in all the phones, and you can use that information to determine someone's alignment. Although, you may fall into the “talking about the other thing” trap when listening.

Does this mean that perhaps his inspection results may not be entirely accurate? I know this sounds like an awfully suspicious thing for me to say Day 1, but we don't want to go about saying people are proven townies when they're not.

Apart from that, it's too early on to determine anything...

[Coolguy]

Uh... May I ask that everybody doesn't go on a ''Lynch Coolguy Because He Survived Night 1'' frenzy? :p I already know at least two people among you are planning it!!!!

[Sillyman]

And how exactly do you know that? Ah well. Ana Ng and I are getting old, so I might as well vote:Regen. Because he's so obviously mafia. :lol:

[CatWoman]

Although I agree we want to get rid of The Statue, I disagree that he's mafia since his goal is to kill everyone else, unless of course he's the ONLY mafia. But then I would have to wonder if there were any Mesopotamians, which I kind of thought sounded like mafia.

Also, I agree with WackieWatty that drgamer isn't proven innocent. CheeseLord's results may not have been accurate, and also a godfather generally appears innocent when inspected. However, I lean towards thinking drgamer is in fact a townie, but that's not 100% proven.

Regen said one mafia was accounted for. Not that I can see, unless he meant the statue. Did you, Regen?

[Roland]

o_0

I got a feeling Drgamer was probably trying to lynch me...

If Mr.Onion is evil, that is.

*MAJOR WHISTLE*

Okay, here's some evidence, take it or leave it or don't believe me. Whatever:

I was originally planning this game with Mr.Onion (TMBG Mafia- Surely you've already noticed the theme going on!) and we were thinking of having no mafia roles whatsoever. Just lots of not-townies. Judging by CheeseLord's inspection, another source (*WHIIIIIIIISTLE*), and the Statue's role PM, I'm assuming this is true. No mafia, just townies and independtant parties. In fact, to further confirm this, read the Angel/Not-Broom's role PM- It wants to kill all the "non-townie roles". Thoguh I guess you could argue that that doesn't really confirm anytrhing. I mean, "non-townie roles" isn't an inadequate description of a set-up with mafia and a few 3rd party roles. Uhh, I guess I'm rambling.

CatWoman, the Mesopotamians are definitely masons. Not only are they not mafia (evidence above), the role PMs that Mr.O are posting aren't half-complete (I assume). And nowhere does it say they're mafia.

Now, that's all cool, who do I suspect of being the Statue? Random gut feeling says AtkinsSJ. Random voting is good. VOTE: Atkins.

[regeneratorizer]

Just to clarify, the mafia accounted for is me. Sorry to alarm you like that, Catwoman.

[Coolguy]

Wow, a lot of people are acting weird...

Anyways, Roland, I disagree with the ''There's No Mafia'' thing; 1) It's out-of-game information and something you and Mr O were planning isn't necessarily going to be in the game, and 2) SOMEBODY had to kill Cheeselord last night and leave a statue next to his corpse.

Tonight, I'll go through the roles and try to figure out which are the red herrings; I'd bet that the lyncher-trio is least likely, because, while they're a funny idea, just lynching one takes out 1/3 of the game's population and gets the mafia immensely closer to his goal... Plus they're trying to waste town lynches. Although, there might only be one mafia (the Statue role PM seems to indicate that).

At least one (or possibly two!) of those protector roles are fakes; I find it very hard to see multiple doctors in a nine-person game.

I have to go to school, now, so I can't post any further.

[drgamer]

It would be kinda silly to go on the lynch coolguy because he survived to day one 'game'. Plus, as Coolguy said, that trio lynch is pretty unlikely...well the only ones that would be able to argue that are the ones who have it. But we won't be hearing about them.

Oh, and I don't understand why Roland even thought I was even possibly trying to lynch him. I never even posted before this post... Unless he's either on of the lynch circle... or pretending to be, in a bid to protect himself. Assuming what he says is true... I would be trying to lynch Roland, Roland would be trying to lynch X, and X would be trying to lynch me. Of course, Coolguy could be deduced as X for now, as he could be trying to downplay the trio of lyncher/lynchees as an unlikely occurence... so the series could be (Coolguy)>Me(Drgamer)>Roland>Coolguy. In this case, it would be in my best interest to protect myself from getting Coolguy to lynch me, and to get Roland lynched...

Although Coolguy is a Communist Mutant Traitor....

Wow, this is a long post O.o (although most of it is about the whole Dad/Grandmother/Son thing)

Huh, just thought of another possibility. Roland is the statue. Obviously, as a townie aligned person, I would be trying to lynch the Statue XD. Guess I was to busy entertaining the whole lynch circle.

Also, Onion, is it possible for two of the three family members to win?(Obviously it's not possible for all three to win) (If possible, Then I wouldn't be opposed to, if I was part of the lynch trio lynch out the person who's trying to lynch me (Coolguy, in this case) To prove prove whether or not the story checks out as true. [this would either show that Roland is the angel, or he would win, (the game would still continue, if the 2/3 family members could win) proving that Roland isn't lying]. Obviously I can't exactly suggest that Roland be lynched to suggest that, because that would be greedy of me, as the way Roland suggests it, I'd win by lynching him...)) Ah, confusing use of parentheses, but hopefully you can make sense of that mess. (in case you're wondering, I bolded Onions name just in case he doesn't read all of my post)

[Mr.Onion]

Also, Onion, is it possible for two of the three family members to win?
No, because the lyncher can't win if his target is still alive, and his lynchee won't win if he's dead.

[drgamer]

I meant more of something like: Son gets father lynched, then grandmother gets son lynched. :p

[Mr.Onion]

I meant more of something like: Son gets father lynched, then grandmother gets son lynched. :p
Oh, no, the son loses, since he died.

[Sillyman]

Well, I for one can confirm that I am most definitely not against the town. In fact, I would say I'm so not against the town that, if there was an angel to follow, that angel would not be trying to kill me. Of course, there's always the possibility that I am either not-town or mafia.

Oh, and Coolguy: Your second point is moot, since we already know that the statue exists. You can call him the only mafia in a group of one mafia, with other non town roles (or potentially just disadvantages) or you can call him a serial killer. Both are valid statements.

Edit: Unless, of course, the statue has allies. But none were mentioned in that big 'ol list.

[WackieWatty]

Uh... May I ask that everybody doesn't go on a ''Lynch Coolguy Because He Survived Night 1'' frenzy? :p I already know at least two people among you are planning it!!!!

Stop being so selfish! What about me?:p

[drgamer]

Oh, no, the son loses, since he died.

Then you posted the wrong pms :p
If X dies by lynching, you win. If he dies by anything else, or you are killed before he is, you lose.
Don't see anything about losing if you die. In a way, it's sorta like saying that the joker loses once he completes his win goal, because he died by being lynched.

[Mr.Onion]

Ignore my post and listen to the PMs.

[Roland]

Wow, a lot of people are acting weird...

Anyways, Roland, I disagree with the ''There's No Mafia'' thing; 1) It's out-of-game information and something you and Mr O were planning isn't necessarily going to be in the game, and 2) SOMEBODY had to kill Cheeselord last night and leave a statue next to his corpse.

Tonight, I'll go through the roles and try to figure out which are the red herrings; I'd bet that the lyncher-trio is least likely, because, while they're a funny idea, just lynching one takes out 1/3 of the game's population and gets the mafia immensely closer to his goal... Plus they're trying to waste town lynches. Although, there might only be one mafia (the Statue role PM seems to indicate that).

Coolguy, there IS enough evidence to assume there are 3rd party. For one, almost all these roles I remember planning with Mr.O, and we had this exact "no-mafia" idea at the time. The Statue (who is an SK - not Mafia), judging by the flavour text was the only once that could have killed CheeseLord. None of the role PMs there are mafia (possibly besides Mesopotamians - But it doesn't actually say in the PM that they're mafia - I assume they're masons) and where was the mafia kill, Coolguy? Wouldn't it be unbalanced anyway to have an SK and a mafia? And plus, about a third of the roles possible for the game are actually 3rd party.

VOTE: Coolguy, for disagree-ing with me (obviously mafia).

And drgamer, the reason I thought you might have been trying to lynch me was because of CheeseLord's inspection of you. *whistle* Though considering the trio of lynchers exists, I doubt so. *whistle*

The town's goal is to kill all the 3rd party, right?

[drgamer]

Eh, couldn't hurt. Kinda hard to figure out the goal of this game...

VOTE: COOLGUY

[Coolguy]

I thought you were arguing that the Statue was one of the non-existant herring roles when you said ''There's no mafia''. :p The Statue is close enough to a mafia for me.

It looked like you were saying that our win goal was actually to kill a ton of survivors and lynchers...

Anyways, back to percussion instrumentation...

[Sillyman]

No, he was calling the statue a serial killer, as opposed to a lone mafia, which is equivalent.

[Coolguy]

I'm already aware of what he meant, of course!!! :p

[Sillyman]

Of course. I'm just saying that this confusion is perfectly reasonable and not necessarily indicative of being the statue. So uh, can we stop arguing over Istanbul and Constantinople and get on with deciding who's going to be first in line to see Mrs. Gallows?

Edit:
Anyways, back to percussion instrumentation...
Wait, you sure you're a drummer? Because, given certain circumstances, that seems a bit unlikely to me. Not impossible, but a bit unlikely.

Edit again: Something tells me that your role might not be what its posted equivalent says it is...

[drgamer]

Yeah, I have the same feeling as Sillyman.

[CatWoman]

Wow, lots of posts while I was at work.

Roland ... you said there were no mafia. Coolguy disagreed with you. So you voted for him and said he was definitely mafia. Make up your mind! :x

It sounded like Coolguy was claiming to be the doctor, so I'm not going to vote him. Even if he hadn't, he doesn't sound suspicious to me.

I didn't understand a lot of what drgamer had to say, so I skipped part of it. It kind of sounded like he might be one of the son/father/grandmother trio, but I'm not sure.

And Sillyman, I kind of doubt The Statue could have allies if his goal is to kill everyone else.

I will refrain from voting for the time being, but I really hope you guys don't end up voting off our doctor.

[Roland]

Roland ... you said there were no mafia. Coolguy disagreed with you. So you voted for him and said he was definitely mafia. Make up your mind! :x


Note to self: put [/joke] tags at the end of facetious posts.

[AtkinsSJ]

I see that Roland is still as subtle as a tangerine-coloured nuclear submarine. Anyway...
Anyways, back to percussion instrumentation...
I'd say this is hinting that he's a Mesopotamian. 2 possibilities: They are masons, and he's mentioning it to claim innocence, or secondly that he's a mafia, and is using the assumption of Mesos=masons to trick us into thinking he's innocent.

Anyway, I'm suspicious enough of him to VOTE: Coolguy, especially as he is the most popular choice at the moment.

Another point: Having the cop lynched on night one is pretty lucky for whoever did it. And the only person I know who is likely to choose Cheeselord would be Roland. Not that this couldn't easily have been a set-up.

[Mr.Onion]

Votes:
Regen: 1 (Sillyman)
Coolguy: 3 (Roland, drgamer, AtkinsSJ)

5 votes to lynch.

[regeneratorizer]

A lot of confusion is abound! If this were anything other than day one, I'd say "Wait! Let's talk out our differences!" But no, it's day one, and so... VOTE: COOLGUY

[WackieWatty]

I understand why you all think CG is suspicious, but i think he's too much of an expert player to 'give himself away' so easily.
I don't know why I'm defending him - a gut feeling, I guess. Still, I'm going to hold my vote.

[CatWoman]

Dr. Worm

Quote:
You are Dr. Worm, and are improving at playing the drums. You can protect someone by sending me a PM with their name every night.

This is what I was referring to, but then I've never heard of the Mesopotamians. :|

I'm not voting Coolguy unless I see some better evidence.

[AtkinsSJ]

Oops, I completely forgot about Dr Worm. Though role-hinting still doesn't prove anything, as we don't know that all the roles are being used, and whoever is really Dr Worm would put themselves in danger of a night-kill by revealing themselves.

[Sillyman]

And Sillyman, I kind of doubt The Statue could have allies if his goal is to kill everyone else.


Where did I say that? ... Oh, yeah, that post. I do tend to consider all possibilities, then dismiss them... thanks. That kills that possibility even more.

I would like us all to stop voting until I can get an answer from Coolguy as to whether or not he was hinting at being Dr. Worm.

[Roland]

Guys, stop bandwagoning! :o Unvote. I don't want to just quicklynch him on Day 1. Let's see his response.

And Atkins, sorry if you always find me annoying! :D

[Coolguy]

How does drumming refer to Mesopotamians at all!?!? I was clearly refering to Dr. Worm, silly crow! :p

I am quite sure that the statue is in this group, since it should be obvious to everyone that either the mafia is trying to frame me or that I am the mafia:

AtkinsSJ
Regeneratorizer
Roland

I left DrGamer off because he has an inspection. I left Roland on (despite him unvoting) because he only unvoted when plenty of other people made it clear that they weren't hopping on. :p Atkins is very odd because he voted me in the first place for claiming Mesopotamian (although I didn't!!!!) and hasn't yet unvoted me (although he might have just forgotten to do that, something makes me think otherwise, due to the fact that one more vote would've killed me!!!!). And then finally, Regen just hopped on the bandwagon without any reason.

I'm going to VOTE: ATKINSSJ just because his argument seems the most silly, since it basically claims that I claimed to be a mason (which I didn't even hint at in the slightest!!!) and then goes on to claim that I must be mafia because only a mafia would claim mason... Plus he still hasn't unvoted.

[Roland]

Just out of interest, exactly how suspicious would I have been if my vote stayed on, Coolguy?

[Coolguy]

Meh, when you unvoted, it looked to me like you only did so because many people were against the vote. :p I just left you on because it didn't look right taking somebody who had still hopped on off.

If you'd stayed, I guess it would definitely be more evil-tastic than Atkins since your entire vote in the first place seemed to be based on a misunderstanding of the exact definition a ''Mafia'', which several of the last posts have made quite clear.

[regeneratorizer]

And then finally, Regen just hopped on the bandwagon without any reason.

I am an individual! And as such, I will jump on Rolands unvoting bandwagon. UNVOTE! ABORT, ABORT!

The problem was remedied just now, but I was skimming and saw a bunch of people voting Coolguy, so I figured, "Vote now, read later!".. I was busy playing WoW, talking on the phone, and my house was on fire. That is my excuse, and I'm sticking to it. Unless a better one comes to me.

[Sillyman]

Well, "Dr. Worm", I do believe the Sleep of Reason Corporation would like to have a talk about patent infringement with you concerning medical-grade windscreen-washer-fluid, which as we all know is the only thing that can cure polymorph, miniturization, and petrification all at once (but only if applied the same night). That is, of course, unless you're not a real doctor, but you are a real worm.

[CatWoman]

Oops, I completely forgot about Dr Worm. Though role-hinting still doesn't prove anything, as we don't know that all the roles are being used, and whoever is really Dr Worm would put themselves in danger of a night-kill by revealing themselves.I kind of think Coolguy is in danger in every mafia game, whether he claims to be a doctor or not. :twisted: Also, if I understood Roland correctly and there are no mafia, only the statue, then everyone is in danger of a night kill since he must kill everyone.

How does drumming refer to Mesopotamians at all!?!? I was clearly refering to Dr. Worm, silly crow!]I wondered that too, but Mr. Onion said this:


Mesopatamians

Quote:
You are either Sargon, Hammurabi, Ashurbanipal, or Gilgamesh, and since the PMs are identical, I'll skip the song/references.Then WackieWatty said he could see how people thought Coolguy was suspicious. So I thought maybe Mesopotamians were a British rock group or something. I try to think of everything. :oops:

Having said all that, I sure hope Coolguy's not evil since he now appears somewhat safe from a lynch, at least for the moment. I just didn't see how anyone could think his percussion reference was referring to anything other than Dr. Worm.

[CatWoman]

Sorry for the double post, but I don't like to edit in mafia (except for typos).

AtkinsSJ tried to justify his Coolguy vote by mentioning that not all the roles were used, but there's no way Coolguy could know whether the Dr. Worm role was used or not unless he is in fact Dr. Worm. It's too big a chance to claim a doctor role if you're not one because the odds are that there IS one in every game. That's a very weak argument AtkinsSJ put forth.

So, Vote: AtkinsSJ.

[drgamer]

I have evidence that Coolguy is in fact, not doctor Worm.

[Roland]

Oooookay, then.

Coolguy's looking pretty suspicious... >.<

[WackieWatty]

I kind-of take what I said earlier back, in a way.
Now CG is acting even more suspiciously by turning around and immediately voting for someone else, trying to shift everyone's attention away from himself.
Also, I understand your point, CatWoman, about CG not knowing whether there is a real Dr. Worm (if he isn't actually that role). But then, if somebody else role-claimed, then first of all, who would we believe? And also, that would put the real doctor in danger because they just role-claimed and will probably get killed off.

Therefore, we have a bit of a conundrum, and I believe that CG isn't helping by making himself look very very suspicious by trying to get people to do what he wants them to do. Although, if I DO vote for him, everyone will probably turn against me. Keeping that in mind, I continue to hold my vote.

[CatWoman]

I have evidence that Coolguy is in fact, not doctor Worm.Can you be a little more specific? Unvote.

[AtkinsSJ]

For anyone who had not yet realised, this entire game is They Might Be Giants - themed. The song 'The Mesopotamians' is about them being a band, hence that's what came to mind when CG mentioned drumming.

I'm not at all surprised at Coolguy's usual sly attempts to undermine my arguments, though using approximately 700 exclamation marks in one post is a bit over the top. Also, he claims that one more vote would have killed him after I voted, which is a lie, as only after Regen voted did that become true.

Fine, I'll unvote, if people are going to start beating me with sticks about it. Though I still think Coolguy's the most suspicious here, and unfortunately also the most influential.

(Gosh, it's only day 1. I think I remember why I stopped playing mafia.)

[Coolguy]

Alright, why exactly am I suspicious? Atkins voted me just for supposedly claimed mason, so I voted him back. And Atkins, when I said that one more vote would have killed me, I meant in your last post where you didn't unvote, despite your argument being proven wrong at that point.

And DrG, I'd love to hear what evidence that is.

[AtkinsSJ]

One of my arguments was wrong. You're still claiming a role with apparently evidence to prove you wrong.

Also, does "I'm not a real doctor but I am a real worm (http://www.tubecodes.com/watch=kbmtni4q2_o)" ring any bells?

[drgamer]

I know 100% that he is not the Doctor Worm. Saying how I know might spell my doom.

[WackieWatty]

Unless drgamer is doing something incredibly 'strange', I'm willing to believe that Cheeselord's inspection was correct and drgamer is, in fact, 'innocent'. Quite how far that term goes in this game, I don't know.

As for CG, role-claiming is something I've seen him do early on in games before, as a way of 'proving his innocence'. In this case, I think he may have slipped up.

[Roland]

Hmmm. Everybody seems evil. But that's probably because none of you are townies! :D

Anyways, back to percussion instrumentation...

This quote obviously states that Coolguy is claiming to be Dr.Worm.

How does drumming refer to Mesopotamians at all!?!? I was clearly refering to Dr. Worm, silly crow! :p

Just in case you don't believe me...


Another point: Having the cop lynched on night one is pretty lucky for whoever did it. And the only person I know who is likely to choose Cheeselord would be Roland. Not that this couldn't easily have been a set-up.

Please explain. Is this about all that daykilling nonsense? You can't be serious, right...?

I have evidence that Coolguy is in fact, not doctor Worm.

And now we hear from drgamer with chilling insight into how Coolguy is apparently not Dr.Worm. But wait, didn't CheeseLord reveal this upon his death:

Well, for what it's worth, drgamer isn't mafia. From the way the PM was phrased, I would guess he's probably a lyncher. I'll leave you to work out your own conclusions in regard to who he's trying to lynch. That person would not be mafia either.

I LIEK PUDDING TOO UND TOO TUGETHRAR

In fact, drgamer claims that he's 100% certain that Coolguy is not Dr.Worm.




Which means he's lying. There are two investigative roles in the possible roles list. CheeseLord was the Hotel Detective, which means drgamer must have been the Inspector if he was an investigative role at all. And, according to the role PM of the Inspector:

"Due to the discarded folderal, you may not get an absolutly accurate reading, however."

Which means drgamer must be lying. He cannot have known for certain whether Coolguy was not, in fact, Dr.Worm.

Furthermore, he's probably a lyncher too, and thus, Coolguy probably the lynchee.

drgamer, I'm guessing your results turned up with no metal, right? And no metal means no Dr.Worm (since he plays the drums. Wait- There are a bit of metal on the drums, right?).

Ugh, oh so confusing.

It's a bad, baaaaad world..... (no, I'm not the suspect chemist XD)

Lastly, I don't think Coolguy is The Statue at all, simply because of his claim. Think about it: There are two possible doctor roles in this game. That means there's a BIG chance that at least one of them was a role that somebody has. For Coolguy to role-claim a doctor role that he isn't is suicide, because as I said before, somebody else probably has that role and they come and said it. Even if the counterclaimer gets lynched, Coolguy would be lynched the next day, which would be an automatic loss for somebody whose win goal was to survive.

Wait- Could drgamer be Doctor Worm, and know that way that Coolguy isn't. But then why Coolguy claim so early? Surely he knows better... But even if drgamer WAS Dr.Worm, why did he say that saying that he was Dr.Worm would, "spell his doom"?

[regeneratorizer]

It's all rather confusing, really.

[Roland]

Indeed.

[Coolguy]

This can all be cleared up if DrGamer claims right now.

For now, UNVOTE.

[drgamer]

If you note what I said earlier, I actually said that Coolguy was trying to lynch me. So I'm actually helping the other guy out. Who may or may not be Roland, as I stated in the 'example' I gave.

I've actually got some suspicions on who the statue is. But I think that the lynchers might not be counted as townies (separate win goal and all). Would you prefer to accidentally lynch the real doctor? Besides, he's as good as gone now. Do you really think the statue would take a chance if there's a possible doctor claiming? Especially on the first day?

If I'm lying about this. You can lynch me.(of course, for me to be proven wrong, we'd have to wait for the next game day to lynch me off)

[Roland]

Can you explain how you know Coolguy is not Dr.Worm?

[Sillyman]

[snip]

Okay... there's three doctor roles and 0 or more of each role. There could be two of the same role, or there could not. And... I don't think there was a lyncher who's lynchee wasn't a lyncher. Anyways, it'd probably be better if we left the palindromic trio to their own devices for now, and focused on the statue. Who may or may not be Coolguy.

LIST TIME!

* AtkinsSJ- (Still?) In a fight with Coolguy. Could be a lyncher.
* CatWoman- Got confused with Mesopotamians and Dr. Worm. Appears to be capable of logical thought.
* Cheeselord- Dead, and a Hotel Detective. Semi-proves Dr. Gamer is not the statue, and may or may not be a lyncher.
* Coolguy- May or may not be committing patent infringement. Could be using his own separately-derived healing technique. Recent developments suggest he's not the statue, but rather a lyncher. Either that or he's not a real doctor, but he is a real worm. Or maybe there's two doctors. Who knows? Not the Sleep of Reason Corporation, that's for sure.
* drgamer- Probably not the statue. May well be a lyncher. Or might be the investigator.
* regeneratorizer- Obviously mafia. May or may not be the statue.
* Roland- Likes pudding two an two togethar. May also like swords. Or sword-chucks. May be a lyncher, may have powars, may just be smrat.
* Sillyman- Definitely not lying when he says he has the right to inquiry about Coolguy's potential patent infringement.
* WackieWatty- Didn't die night 1. MUST BE EVOL!!!!1!!. Likes single quotes.

[regeneratorizer]

Right, so Dr. Gamer is the son, father, or grandmother person.. And he is trying to kill Coolguy. Seems odd revealing whom your trying to kill(All while proving him townie), but meh.

Coolguy is also a lyncher? Although, it could be possible that Coolguy IS really Dr. Worm or The Statue... Dr. Gamer probably wasn't told if his role was a human father/son/grandmother... Maybe he is of the worm or concrete variety!

Seems rather unlikely that only one mafia-type(See: The Statue) would exist in a game this big... Sure, there are a couple of lynchers, but there is also a cop-type and maybe a doc-type. Also keep in mind that there may be other roles not listed in Onions list...

..Erm, just some thoughts... I figure I have to have a useful moment at least once a game.

[Coolguy]

Once again, I say that everything will only be cleared up once DrG actually claims. Now, please do so!

[Roland]

Just so people know, the town goal is to eliminate 3rd party. drgamer 'not turning up mafia' doesn't prove anything, since there are no 'mafia', as such. Anything 3rd party is evil and must be destroyed.

[CatWoman]

I wasn't told the goal to win. My PM simply told me who I was and told me to check the thread for details. It will probably be easy for you to figure out who I am simply by reading the roles, but there are seven that really don't say one way or the other, although four of them seem obviously to be town oriented. So I guess my own personal goal is to stay alive.

I agree that drgamer should claim. Waiting ...

[drgamer]

I did claim...

[AtkinsSJ]

I like the part where Roland takes 2 and 2 and gets 3.5.
Note that there are 3 interconnected lyncher roles on the role list. If DrG is meant to lynch CG, or whatever, then CG is also a lyncher. This also means there's a third lyncher, as the grandmother/father/son roles rely on all three being in play.

Given that CG is still trying to role-claim falsely, I'm going to VOTE: Coolguy, again, hopefully with rather less of an angry mob coming after me.

[Roland]

drgamer is so evil/lyncher it isn't funny.

Not only is there that conundrum about how there's no way he really can know for certain if Coolguy is not Dr.Worm, but look how he conveniently gets around the question asked to him:

If you note what I said earlier, I actually said that Coolguy was trying to lynch me. So I'm actually helping the other guy out. Who may or may not be Roland, as I stated in the 'example' I gave.

I've actually got some suspicions on who the statue is. But I think that the lynchers might not be counted as townies (separate win goal and all). Would you prefer to accidentally lynch the real doctor? Besides, he's as good as gone now. Do you really think the statue would take a chance if there's a possible doctor claiming? Especially on the first day?

If I'm lying about this. You can lynch me.(of course, for me to be proven wrong, we'd have to wait for the next game day to lynch me off)

Okay, maybe that was a little mis-understanding,. But he still didn't tell us how he got the information. And then when we ask him again...

I did claim...

How EVIL is that?!?! Just blatantly avoiding the question, hoping we lynch Coolguy before he gets to role-claiming. And Atkins isn't any help to the town either, with his above post. WHY was Coolguy false-ly role-claiming in the first place? While it's not 100% proven, if anything, the role claim makes him more innocent.

VOTE: Drgamer.

You're next, Atkins! ;)

EDIT: Oh, and I'll be leaving for 5 days. Get me a replacement.

[Sillyman]

By the way, like I said, Coolguy may be a quack or a misleading public role pm. Or there could just be two doctors, with different themesongs. Bah. I'll just watch and wait as everything deforms in the presence of my swarming.

[drgamer]

drgamer is so evil/lyncher it isn't funny.

Not only is there that conundrum about how there's no way he really can know for certain if Coolguy is not Dr.Worm, but look how he conveniently gets around the question asked to him:



Okay, maybe that was a little mis-understanding,. But he still didn't tell us how he got the information. And then when we ask him again...



How EVIL is that?!?! Just blatantly avoiding the question, hoping we lynch Coolguy before he gets to role-claiming. And Atkins isn't any help to the town either, with his above post. WHY was Coolguy false-ly role-claiming in the first place? While it's not 100% proven, if anything, the role claim makes him more innocent.

VOTE: Drgamer.

You're next, Atkins! ;)

EDIT: Oh, and I'll be leaving for 5 days. Get me a replacement.
...I thought it was OBVIOUS I was roleclaiming as part of the lynch trio. Which is how I know Coolguy is PART of it. Wait, false role claiming as the doctor makes you more innocent? Okay, then I guess I better do that.

[regeneratorizer]

Oh, me too! I'm also a doctor! :D

[CatWoman]

...I thought it was OBVIOUS I was roleclaiming as part of the lynch trio. Which is how I know Coolguy is PART of it. Wait, false role claiming as the doctor makes you more innocent? Okay, then I guess I better do that.I just searched Coolguy's posts and didn't see a single one that indicated he wanted to lynch you. One of you is lying and I don't know which. But if Coolguy is supposed to lynch you, he isn't trying very hard. And I don't think I've ever played in a mafia game that didn't have a doctor, so I'm thinking he just might be telling the truth. Either that or he very cleverly forced you to claim so the rest of us would get rid of you.

Either way, if Roland's right the town has to get rid of third party players. So I will Vote: drgamer.

[Sillyman]

And I don't think I've ever played in a mafia game that didn't have a doctor, so I'm thinking he just might be telling the truth.

Either way, if Roland's right the town has to get rid of third party players. So I will Vote: drgamer.

Point 1: The reason we suspect Coolguy is not a doctor is because I also have claimed as one, though a different (yet in mechanics identical) one.

Point 2: It still is a better idea to try to find the statue than to kill the relatively harmless lynchers. I mean, they only want to kill third party people, and they don't have weapons.

[Coolguy]

Bah, fine, I am a lyncher! :p I claimed because if I didn't, I'd have been lynched by that evil, evil inheritance-stealing son (DrGamer), who would've gotten my cash before I could lynch his son, Atkins.

You have to lynch one of us three in the end, you know (unless the Statue decides that lynchers are more of a threat than powered townies, for some crazy reason) ... Although please pick Atkins. :mrgreen::mrgreen:

[Sillyman]

And I presume that proves me a doctor. Great. Well... hmm... unvote and VOTE:AtkinsSJ for being the last one to admit guilt. Yeah, I'm giving up on finding the statue for now. Four people proven to not want us dead is enough for one day. That means there's four left to interrogate, if you believe me. Five if you don't.

* AtkinsSJ- (nigh)Proven Son.
* CatWoman- Appears to be capable of logical thought. SheMightBeTheStatue (S/HMBTS).
* Cheeselord- Dead, and a Hotel Detective. Led us into this whole mess with the lynchers.:roll:
* Coolguy- (nigh)Proven Grandmother.
* drgamer- (nigh)Proven Father.
* regeneratorizer- Obviously mafia. HMBTS.
* Roland- Likes pudding two an two togethar. May also like swords. Or sword-chucks. May have powars, may just be smrat. HMBTS.
* Sillyman- Has recently settled with Coolguy out of court. A doctor of sorts.
* WackieWatty- Didn't die night 1. MUST BE EVOL!!!!1!!. Likes single quotes. HMBTS.

[Coolguy]

Actually, Regen also claimed doctor as well... But obviously, Atkins must be teh reel statue!11!1 :p Vote him!!! My grandson is an evil rock monster!11 VOTE: Atkins (No, I'm not being serious)

[CatWoman]

All right, Unvote and Vote: AtkinsSJ.

I am Scott Bowers, so Sillyman won't need to waste his protection on me tonight. :)

[Sillyman]

Actually, Regen also claimed doctor as well... But obviously, Atkins must be teh reel statue!11!1 :p Vote him!!! My grandson is an evil rock monster!11 VOTE: Atkins (No, I'm not being serious)

Regen didn't do so quite that seriously. It was to prove a point. I can see some sarcasm.

Edit: Oh, and thanks, CatWoman. Hmm... Roland or WackieWatty or Regen...

[regeneratorizer]

Meh, so it's come to a general VOTE: ATKINS!



Also, don't kill me tonight!

[WackieWatty]

I may have missed something, (because so many new posts were made, I kind-of skim-read), but how is Atkins a proven son?
I'm not defending him for any real reason, except that, as far as I know, we're going on CG's word; the same CG who claimed to be Dr. Worm.
This might be a plot of CG to kill off Atkins for some reason or another. Of course, I have absolutely no reason to believe it, or any evidence to back it up, but you need to think about these things.

Therefore, I VOTE: COOLGUY!
He's claiemd as part of the lynch-trio, after lying to us for a long time, so he's the best target in my opinion.

[Sillyman]

This IS a plot by Coolguy to lynch Atkins (how could you think that it's not?), we're just being nice to him. And he has backup on the fact he's a lyncher, but not on who he wants to lynch. Obviously, a proven lyncher would not lie about their target in a plot to lynch their target's target, because they'd rather secure their win than secure their safety. That's how Atkins is proven to be one of the lyncher trio. The fact that he is in particular a son and Coolguy is a grandmother, we are taking Coolguy's word on, but that doesn't affect anything. He might as well be a father and Coolguy be a son, same thing applies.

Edit: The reason we're being nice to him is that we're going to kill all three of them anyway so that we can win. Might as well make the only one not winning be the one who admitted that they were not a townie last. So yeah, the order we're lynching them in is Atkins, Coolguy, DrGamer. Whee! This is almost as fun as claiming to be a Jester day 1!

[AtkinsSJ]

Eh? Why do you all side with Coolguy, after he lied a lot to you all! Gah! Yes, I'm the third lyncher. But why do you feel you have to side with the lyncher who is most dishonest?

*Sigh*

[Sillyman]

I don't. Because you're the most dishonest.

Edit:
DrGamer lied that Coolguy was trying to lynch him.
Coolguy lied that he was a doctor, then admitted he was a lyncher.
You never admitted you were the final lyncher until resounding proof came.

[WackieWatty]

I just think it's ironic that you're all still doing what Coolguy wants you all to do, even though it, technically, won't benefit you and you know he's not on your side.
I suppose that they do all have to die in the end. However, if we decide now that we're going to lynch Atkins today, CG tomorrow, and then drgamer the next day, then they're going to be pretty short days, in which others could get away with murder!
We can't ignore the other players at the moment. If you focus on a specific target to be obtained through a single player/ a small group of players, then you lose the eye for the game as a whole, which is extremely dangerous. You don't want to go on doing that, otherwise you'll be manipulated further.

[AtkinsSJ]

I don't. Because you're the most dishonest.

Edit:
DrGamer lied that Coolguy was trying to lynch him.
Coolguy lied that he was a doctor, then admitted he was a lyncher.
You never admitted you were the final lyncher until resounding proof came.

Um, so not role-claiming is better than lying about it? Last time I played mafia, it was frowned-upon to role-claim, and surely you can tell that role-claiming as a lyncher is an incredibly unintelligent idea. "Hey guys! I'm trying to lynch this guy in a subtle way! I thought I'd tell you all about it so that you'd all know about it and my plans would fail."

[CatWoman]

So here's what we know (or don't know):

AtkinsSJ - lynch trio
CatWoman - claims to be Scott Bower
Cheeselord - Hotel Detective, deceased
Coolguy - lynch trio
drgamer - lynch trio
Regeneratorizer -
Roland -
Sillyman - claims to be a doctor
WackieWatty -

If Sillyman and I are both telling the truth, then Regen, Roland or WackieWatty is The Statue. Why don't we concentrate on that? I will Unvote AtkinsSJ. If any of you voted out of spite, please unvote.

Of Regen, Roland and WW, I'm going to Vote: Regeneratorizer. No real reason, except that Roland isn't here to defend himself and WackieWatty sounded very wise when he said this:
We can't ignore the other players at the moment. If you focus on a specific target to be obtained through a single player/ a small group of players, then you lose the eye for the game as a whole, which is extremely dangerous. You don't want to go on doing that, otherwise you'll be manipulated further.

I really wanted to vote for Roland, but alas, he hasn't been replaced yet.

This has been a long day. I don't plan to change my vote again unless Regen convinces me, because I don't see any reason to vote off the lynch trio first since they can't kill us at night and The Statue can.

[Roland]

CW,if we know people to not be town, lynch them. That's our goal.

VOTE: Coolguy

(don't be fooled - I won't be able to get on regularly - This is a once off)

[Sillyman]

Actually... yeah, might as well ignore Coolguy for now. Still going to try to lynch Atkins before Coolguy. Why? Because he's nagging at me to make sense. I made my arbitrary decision and I'm not gonna change it. I'm gonna defend myself, so don't bother attacking me, Statue.UNVOTE and VOTE: Regeneratorizer

AtkinsSJ - lynch trio, shall die first.
CatWoman - claims to be Scott Bower
Cheeselord - Hotel Detective, deceased
Coolguy - lynch trio
drgamer - lynch trio, shall die last.
Regeneratorizer - Mafia. Might be statue.
Roland - Not here. Might be statue.
Sillyman - claims to be a doctor
WackieWatty - Veeeery curious. Might be statue.

[Coolguy]

Awww, darn, you mean youngsters changed your minds right before I exacted vengeance on my son for swiping my inheritance! :p I had to spend a lot of time in Vegas for all of that well-earned cash!!! Oh, well, maybe I'll be the lucky one-out-of-three later...

And for the people whining that I lied about my role, obviously I had to, because Atkins and DrG had teamed up on me (and they still are!) and I was totally dead meat otherwise.

Meh, I'll also VOTE: Regeneratorizer.

Mr Onion, if a lyncher dies, does the winning lyncher leave the game with a win (leaving the last lyncher to remain sad)? Your role PMs don't make it clear.

EDIT: And WackieWatty, you argued against voting off lynchers rather than Statues without unvoting!!!! Why?

[CatWoman]

CW,if we know people to not be town, lynch them. That's our goal.Doh. But wouldn't a concerned townie rather take out someone who can kill him/her at night first?? The Statue is obviously NOT a townie. Use your head. Of course we want to take out non-townies, but I would rather not have to be concerned about dying at night while I did it.

[WackieWatty]

And WackieWatty, you argued against voting off lynchers rather than Statues without unvoting!!!! Why?

I have quite a few reasons for not unvoting you, CG:

1. I don't want you to go about manipulating people any more.
2. I don't have any evidence to suggest that anyone outside of the lynch trio is a suitable target to be lynched.
3. I often don't vote, and it tends to make me look suspicious. I don't mean that I'm voting you to stop myself looking suspicious, because that would be silly, but rather that if I go around handing out advice without actually targetting anyone, then I'm not going to be very popular.
4. I'll probably end up dying soon, so I may as well seek revenge on you while I can.

Yes, I know several of those aren't very good reasons, but I thought I may as well make clear every single tiny reason, so you can't complain. Of course, now somebody will probably find a flaw in this post and use it against me some time in the future, but oh well!


EDIT:
WackieWatty - Veeeery curious. Might be statue.

I find this interesting, Sillyman, please explain!

[regeneratorizer]

4 out of 5 doctors agree that voting Regeneratorizer is bad. The fifth.. Well, don't worry about the fifth. That's not important.

..Oh yes.

[Sillyman]

Veeeery curious= Seems to be intelligent, but makes a few logical errors. In other words, human.
Might be statue= Not proven otherwise.

[AtkinsSJ]

And for the people whining that I lied about my role, obviously I had to, because Atkins and DrG had teamed up on me (and they still are!) and I was totally dead meat otherwise.
I hadn't teamed-up; I DrG was already inspected, and I knew you'd be after me.

Also, why did everyone have to change their minds after I got all angry and fed-up with this game?

I'll keep my vote still on CG, even though it's pointless, because I can, so there. :p
(And because voting for Sillyman out of spite is just going to cause me trouble...)

[Roland]

This game is absolute chaos. XD

Uhhh, there's no reason to vote Coolguy ahead of Atkins/drgamer, but oh well...

[CatWoman]

Can we vote to end the day? It appears to be going nowhere fast.

[Coolguy]

Only one person has to change their vote.

[AtkinsSJ]

*sigh* Sorry, Regen. It's nothing personal. In fact, it's nothing; blame Coolguy.

Unvote. VOTE:Regeneratorizer

[Mr.Onion]

Regeneratorizer was lynched, and he was The Statue!

In any other game, this would mean that the town had won. :p However, it hasn't won until they have eliminated the neutral roles. At this point "to survive" is to survive a lynch up until there are 2 players left.

Send in PMs!

[regeneratorizer]

Do I get a last gasp? Oh well.

BLAME COOLGUY!

/lastgaspthatImaynothave

[Mr.Onion]

It is Day 2
Unsurprisingly, Noone is dead!

It is 4 votes to lynch.

[CatWoman]

Because I think the Atkins brothers and drgamer will side with me, Vote: Coolguy.

[drgamer]

Vote: Coolguy

Yep.

[AtkinsSJ]

VOTE: Coolguy

(No surprise there.)

[Sillyman]

Aww fine. Let's just get this over with with the town winning. Vote: Coolguy and tomorrow I'm voting Atkins. Yes, that does mean only one of them wins.

[Mr.Onion]

Coolguy was lynched, and was the Grandmother, getting a last gasp.

It is Night 2, send those PMs!

[Coolguy]

*gasp* Meanies! Oh, well; I figured it had become impossible anyways, since Mr O just told me that he decided that our win goal was instead to lynch and survive.

[Mr.Onion]

Noone died, what a surprise.

It is day 3, so lynch away.

[WackieWatty]

Goodness - everything seems to be speeding along quite merrily.
It's hard to believe that the Statue got lynched off Day 1, and now it looks like we only have to get rid of the lynchers to win.
Atkins and drgamer are the two lynchers, but I don't know who everybody else is going to vote for. Still, I guess it doesn't really matter which we get rid of first.
Vote: AtkinsSJ. It's nothing personal, bro, but rather that everybody seemed keener to lynch you off than drgamer the other day...

[Roland]

VOTE: Atkins. Because we get a lynch faster.

[CatWoman]

I'm with you. Vote: AtkinsSJ.

[Sillyman]

Vote: AtkinsSJ... and that should be the game. Unless we have to kill the survivors, which just isn't right, because then they'd be doomed from the start.

I mean, seriously. Either the town or the statue kills them, or they are allowed to declare a truce with both of us winning.

[Mr.Onion]

GAME OVER!

Regen loses. The town, Roland and drgamer win.

NAME ROLE
AtkinsSJ Son
CatWoman Scott Bower
Cheeselord Detective
Coolguy Grandmother
drgamer Father
Regen Statue
Roland Chemist
Sillyman Bee
WackieWatty Inspector

[Julian]

Can you clarify this for me? How does Atkins win if he's dead?

[Mr.Onion]

Because Coolguy was lynched, and not killed any other way.

[Coolguy]

I convinced Mr O to change our win goals back to what they actually were in our role PMs. :p

And Atkins couldn't have won ; His target, DrG, died AFTER him.

[drgamer]

But... I didn't even die :p

[WackieWatty]

I survived an entire game of mafia... and won!?!
Wow - this is a great feat for me. Still, I don't know whether I'll return as a residential mafia player.

[Roland]

Mr.Onion, didn't I win?

[Mr.Onion]

Yes, you do. *amends*

[AtkinsSJ]

Meh, I knew I was going to lose; I'm just glad that DrG won rather than Coolguy. :p