My life's work, taken from me... (R3?)

[chinook]

I recently stumbled upon a pretty trying truth: supersilver, a frequent poster on the Hamumu.com forums has been using my written work as a basis for his R3 story online.

I finished writing this story in early March of 2003, and had started it maybe 5 years prior to that. It did not have the name "R3" at that time, but a different one. I am afraid to give away the name as he may somehow use Google to find it, and take more of my story.

All I ask is that supersilver keeps this from Hamumu.com from now on. No more signature links, posts, story entries, etc. Frankly, I just don't like having this plaigerism rubbed in my face.

I don't mind if he advertises elsewhere, but not here. I simply won't stand for it.

I did mention that the story had the name "Space" in it, but I'm not sure I put much of it online anyway.

Thanks for reading.

[Mr.Onion]

I think I found the link: http://www.geocities.com/mitch.weaver/FeathersinSpace.zip

[chinook]

Wow! My old Geocities site, hahahahhaha. Thankfully I didn't store much of the story there. I think my old Tripod or Angelfire website had the majority of the text stored there, but I just checked and they have been completely removed.

Perhaps that is where supersilver found it, though. Who knows when he got my story?

[supersilver]

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4ADBF_en-GBGB291GB291&q=feathers+in+space&meta= lol! :D feathers in space doesnt exist! and it as nothing to do with feathers! it is about an organisation called resistance force three (R3 for short, why isnt it RF3? it's a VII tradition) who well, resist! you don't even know what the bad guy is! by the sounds of it, you've read the first little part of it, and taken on that! I have proof, you dont. google doesnt lie.

[chinook]

Maybe you should take a look at that file that Mr. Onion posted, supersilver.

It's part of the story, and was created in 2003. Yeah. Stings, doesn't it?

[Mr.Onion]

google doesnt lie.
Ob-jec (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spamdexing)-tion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_manipulation)!

[chinook]

Also, you'll notice the name of the zip file? Yeah. Feathers in Space.

[Sillyman]

Sorry, supersilver, but... I kinda have to side with Chinook, as one of you clutters up TM with stuff you have to pay for and the other doesn't. Understand that I mean no offense, as you are, otherwise, a valuable member of this community. Though I wouldn't mind if you kept a link around in your signature.

[supersilver]

oh, isnt it weird that that it ends at the most recent part I made? Let's face it, you took that, put it in a notepad file, called it feathers in space and claimed it as your own. i started it 8 (im 13 now) years ago. if anything, he's setaling from me. so, let's forget this lie that you made it ever happened, ok?

Let's face it, i have proof, you dont. and your site thing isnt even open! you just put it up there today.

[chinook]

Sorry, supersilver, but... I kinda have to side with Chinook, as one of you clutters up TM with stuff you have to pay for and the other doesn't. Understand that I mean no offense, as you are, otherwise, a valuable member of this community. Though I wouldn't mind if you kept a link around in your signature.

Thanks, Sillyman. See? This is the kind of recognition I desire. I don't necessarily need to get rich off of my work, but I'd really rather that I didn't have it flaunted in front of me on my favorite forum.

If supersilver just keeps "his" story to his website, and to other forums, we can leave it at that.

[chinook]

oh, isnt it weird that that it ends at the most recent part I made? Let's face it, you took that, put it in a notepad file, called it feathers in space and claimed it as your own. i started it 8 (im 13 now) years ago. if anything, he's setaling from me. so, let's forget this lie that you made it ever happened, ok?

Let's face it, i have proof, you dont. and your site thing isnt even open! you just put it up there today.

A clear desperate attempt at trying to get me to reveal the next part of the story. So he can either:

a.) Take it and add it to his story. Perhaps he didn't actually get the full text when he originally stole it.

b.) Change his story subtly and say "See?! I didn't steal chinook's life work!"

I will give you no such satisfaction.

[supersilver]

... yup, you stole it.

[chinook]

Thank you for removing the link from your signature. All I ask now is that you no longer post any of the R3 stories or links on Hamumu.com, and we will not have to worry about this anymore.

Thanks for understanding, supersilver. Hope to see you in chat soon!

[Mr.Onion]

oh, isnt it weird that that it ends at the most recent part I made? Let's face it, you took that, put it in a notepad file, called it feathers in space and claimed it as your own. i started it 8 (im 13 now) years ago. if anything, he's setaling from me. so, let's forget this lie that you made it ever happened, ok?

Let's face it, i have proof, you dont. and your site thing isnt even open! you just put it up there today.
How do you explain the fact that the text file is timestamped as being last modified 5 years ago, then?

[TyTBone]

i started it 8 [...] years ago.

You started it when you were 5?! (I'm sorry, but: :roll:)

[SpiderPumpkin]

You started it when you were 5?!
Wouldn't be that unbelievable, actually; I started planning out a little game series when I was 4, and I'm still sort of planning out stuff (and perhaps I will actually create it some day :P).

[TyTBone]

I started planning out a little game series when I was 4

Was that one of those memories that stuck with you? I can vaguely remember getting stung by bees when I was 5 or so, and I remember the atrocities of first grade when I was 7, but 4? Nothing...

Shoot! Off-topic...

But yeah, Supersilver needs to think long and hard about what he's going to do, else he and his parents are going to face deep crud, it seems...

[SpiderPumpkin]

Was that one of those memories that stuck with you?
Not necessarily with me, but with others -o_-o And I still have the scribbles of random video game enemies I used to draw back then.

[blackmyth]

How do you explain the fact that the text file is timestamped as being last modified 5 years ago, then?
"Sunday, March 02, 2003, 5:50:28 PM"

The only problem here is that it's very easy to fake dates like that.

[Megadog]

...i started it 8 (im 13 now)...
...despite the fact ive been working on it since i was three.
Hmmmmm. Sounds fishy to me, I'm siding with chinook.

[supersilver]

should we tell him? *looks at jamul's post* jamul fished it out of him (fish is the new rat) that he was just kidding. im not sure where you got the dates from. did chinook tell you that? honestly, drop him when he gets into lawyers :D

[Sillyman]

Supersilver: Of course Mr. Onion knows. You do realise that you can change the date and time on your clock, right?

[chinook]

Supersilver: Of course Mr. Onion knows. You do realise that you can change the date and time on your clock, right?

Wow, that would've been easier than getting my car up to 88 mph during a thunderstorm. How embarrassing...

[Kerma]

I support Chinook as for the name of R3. I really doubt SS made up the exact name R3 and all of it's story since he was 3 :P

[supersilver]

ok, jamul found out he was lying... how could you guys? i looked up feathers in space. it doesnt exitst. ch even admitted it.

[Connor S.]

I still trust chinook more then supersilver! ;) Yup, I think you should stop stealing his work! He has WAAAAY more evidence then you! :p

[chinook]

It's good to know! Thanks Connor for your continued support.

[supersilver]

stop it, i have lots of evedence he has none, im putting you on my ignore list :p

[Connor S.]

You do that. :p

[supersilver]

Stop It! (http://www.hamumu.com/forum/showthread.php?p=212846#post212846)

[writerstix]

just a note to both of you. i'm not going to pick a side here, but i will give you some professional advice. unless your work has been copyrighted, do not post it on the internet. as a writer myself, i know the excitment you get from sharing your stories with readers; it's a great feeling. but to keep your work safe, you need to take the necessary steps to protect it, otherwise situations like this happen.

so until your work has been copyrighted, only share your work with a select trusted few while you go through the editing process.

[supersilver]

just a note to both of you. i'm not going to pick a side here, but i will give you some professional advice. unless your work has been copywrited, do not post it on the internet. as a writer myself, i know the excitment you get from sharing your stories with readers; it's a great feeling. but to keep your work safe, you need to take the necessary steps to protect it, otherwise situations like this happen.

so until your work has been copywrited, only share your work with a select trusted few while you go through the editing process.
you do mean professional means "get paid to do something?"

[Mr.Onion]

just a note to both of you. i'm not going to pick a side here, but i will give you some professional advice. unless your work has been copywrited, do not post it on the internet. as a writer myself, i know the excitment you get from sharing your stories with readers; it's a great feeling. but to keep your work safe, you need to take the necessary steps to protect it, otherwise situations like this happen.

so until your work has been copywrited, only share your work with a select trusted few while you go through the editing process.
Copyright applies automatically to the text whenever it gets written.

[writerstix]

Copyright applies automatically to the text whenever it gets written.

Alot of people think that. It actually isn't true. Another misconception is mailing it to yourself. I don't know where these rumors start, but any copyright office will tell you they aren't true. You get copyright verification which can be used in court to prove something is yours.

[Mr.Onion]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#Obtaining_and_enforcing_copyright

In all countries where the Berne Convention standards apply, copyright is automatic, and need not be obtained through official registration with any government office.

The Berne Convention covers all of the US, all of continental Europe, and most of the rest of the world.

[writerstix]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#Obtaining_and_enforcing_copyright



The Berne Convention covers all of the US, all of continental Europe, and most of the rest of the world.

I read the article, and I guess you are right. Although, I don't know how these two are going to legitamitely prove who owns the work. I guess that's for them to figure out.

I'm officially changing my advice to: A registered copyright would save a lot of headaches and eliminate a lot of questions about authorship.

Thank you Mr. Onion for the info. I stand corrected.

[legomash]

Hello.
My little brother A.K.A Legomash has been on this (I haven't dabbled here before but now that this has occured I doubt i'll be back) site for quite some time and as has his friend.
My brother's friend in question is a boy I have known since he has been fairly young and although creative in many areas with quite an extrodinary imagination (quite like to my eccentric brother) is very hardworking and puts a lot of work into things. This boy is most certainly not chipnook (or whatever his name is) and the boy who is my brothers friend- well, he came up with the idea in the first place, and I havent bothered to find his username (I literally pushed my brother off the computer after finding out about this). (EDIT: his name is Supersilver)

Supersilver has been quite happily and gulliably talking about his works since primary school... and you can be sure it is something you can't quite forget. For the fact he is very similar to my brother I feel a need to push through this lot and put things straight. Call it domineering, I call it honesty and truth.

Right. Chipnook.

First off- I don't know your reasons for this but it isn't terribly nice or fair. Childish antics, as so sported, are only fairly done if you are under eight years old. I have a feeling you're slightly older.

Yes, I am accusing you of stealing work. I feel so strongly about the matter I have taken it upon myself to post Supersilver's ideas on several sites which copyright the work. He is given full credit even although it is under my own name.

Someone's life work is a very private personal matter. Perhaps he was a bit niave but Chipnook (whatever your name is) I resent the fact you are taking advantage of that. What you are doing is wrong and absurd. On family sites such as this one you shouldn't be allowed to get away with this.

Your methods with your 'facts' are terribly easy to do. The time stamp on that text document could have been as simple as you changing the global time on your computer. I don't understand why many of you haven't questioned this- I haven't actually read over this topic as i'm too furious to stop typing.

And before you have a go at my brother for having his elder sister stick up for him and Supersilver-I pushed my brother off this computer on my own accord. I don't care if he gives excuses- I am not sorry for writing any of this (which has been politer than I would have liked to have put it). I am an extremely stubborn, grudgeful person- especially when fulled with anger- so I would be only too happy to continue ranting and raging for months to come.

I must ask that if this post displeases anyone that it is taken upon me and not my brothers account- as i'd never hear the end of it.

I'll leave further details or PM individuals on this account (or perhaps create my own account) if this doesn't sort itself out soon.

Stealing work is no laughing matter. We have either experienced it or perhaps in the future may experience it. It is very damaging and emotionally upsetting. Our ideas and principles are our babies- if someone lashes out we feel the pain.

~Ecardina

http://ecardina.deviantart.com/art/The-Full-Story-R3-100983047
Here it is. If Supersilver wishes to add to the story he need only ask and i'll put in his further ideas. If you enjoy his work I propose you continue to read it there and defend his work.

I hope very much not to have to repeat myself at a later date to how serious this is to me.

[Pumpkineater]

Hello.
My little brother A.K.A Legomash has been on this (I haven't dabbled here before but now that this has occured I doubt i'll be back) site for quite some time and as has his friend.
My brother's friend in question is a boy I have known since he has been fairly young and although creative in many areas with quite an extrodinary imagination (quite like to my eccentric brother) is very hardworking and puts a lot of work into things. This boy is most certainly not chipnook (or whatever his name is) and the boy who is my brothers friend- well, he came up with the idea in the first place, and I havent bothered to find his username (I literally pushed my brother off the computer after finding out about this). (EDIT: his name is Supersilver)

Supersilver has been quite happily and gulliably talking about his works since primary school... and you can be sure it is something you can't quite forget. For the fact he is very similar to my brother I feel a need to push through this lot and put things straight. Call it domineering, I call it honesty and truth.

Right. Chipnook.

First off- I don't know your reasons for this but it isn't terribly nice or fair. Childish antics, as so sported, are only fairly done if you are under eight years old. I have a feeling you're slightly older.

Yes, I am accusing you of stealing work. I feel so strongly about the matter I have taken it upon myself to post Supersilver's ideas on several sites which copyright the work. He is given full credit even although it is under my own name.

Someone's life work is a very private personal matter. Perhaps he was a bit niave but Chipnook (whatever your name is) I resent the fact you are taking advantage of that. What you are doing is wrong and absurd. On family sites such as this one you shouldn't be allowed to get away with this.

Your methods with your 'facts' are terribly easy to do. The time stamp on that text document could have been as simple as you changing the global time on your computer. I don't understand why many of you haven't questioned this- I haven't actually read over this topic as i'm too furious to stop typing.

And before you have a go at my brother for having his elder sister stick up for him and Supersilver-I pushed my brother off this computer on my own accord. I don't care if he gives excuses- I am not sorry for writing any of this (which has been politer than I would have liked to have put it). I am an extremely stubborn, grudgeful person- especially when fulled with anger- so I would be only too happy to continue ranting and raging for months to come.

I must ask that if this post displeases anyone that it is taken upon me and not my brothers account- as i'd never hear the end of it.

I'll leave further details or PM individuals on this account (or perhaps create my own account) if this doesn't sort itself out soon.

Stealing work is no laughing matter. We have either experienced it or perhaps in the future may experience it. It is very damaging and emotionally upsetting. Our ideas and principles are our babies- if someone lashes out we feel the pain.

~Ecardina

http://ecardina.deviantart.com/art/The-Full-Story-R3-100983047
Here it is. If Supersilver wishes to add to the story he need only ask and i'll put in his further ideas. If you enjoy his work I propose you continue to read it there and defend his work.

I hope very much not to have to repeat myself at a later date to how serious this is to me.I caught you! You never edited the post:p
Edit: atleast you haven't by now that I post this!

[Pumpkineater]

Also, I support Supersilver on this

[SpiderPumpkin]

I don't understand why many of you haven't questioned this- I haven't actually read over this topic as i'm too furious to stop typing.
Not sure if you'll read this, but perhaps you should have read the rest of the topic; nobody stole anything from anyone, chinook was just trying to make a joke here - he's not actually trying to claim that supersilver's story is his work, he was just kidding. The dates are obviously faked, and most people here are and have been well aware of this even before your post, and I'd say it would be all settled if people would stop poking the dead body of chinook's (admittedly not very funny) joke.

[.Blue Dwarf.]

Sounds to me like you just stole his work, copyrighting it under your own name.

Anyway, I haven't a clue as to why people are still talking about this. I thought Jamul had put an end to it.
Oh well.

EDIT: Ninja'd

[chinook]

Hello.
My little brother A.K.A Legomash has been on this (I haven't dabbled here before but now that this has occured I doubt i'll be back) site for quite some time and as has his friend.
My brother's friend in question is a boy I have known since he has been fairly young and although creative in many areas with quite an extrodinary imagination (quite like to my eccentric brother) is very hardworking and puts a lot of work into things. This boy is most certainly not chipnook (or whatever his name is) and the boy who is my brothers friend- well, he came up with the idea in the first place, and I havent bothered to find his username (I literally pushed my brother off the computer after finding out about this). (EDIT: his name is Supersilver)

Supersilver has been quite happily and gulliably talking about his works since primary school... and you can be sure it is something you can't quite forget. For the fact he is very similar to my brother I feel a need to push through this lot and put things straight. Call it domineering, I call it honesty and truth.

Right. Chipnook.

First off- I don't know your reasons for this but it isn't terribly nice or fair. Childish antics, as so sported, are only fairly done if you are under eight years old. I have a feeling you're slightly older.

Yes, I am accusing you of stealing work. I feel so strongly about the matter I have taken it upon myself to post Supersilver's ideas on several sites which copyright the work. He is given full credit even although it is under my own name.

Someone's life work is a very private personal matter. Perhaps he was a bit niave but Chipnook (whatever your name is) I resent the fact you are taking advantage of that. What you are doing is wrong and absurd. On family sites such as this one you shouldn't be allowed to get away with this.

Your methods with your 'facts' are terribly easy to do. The time stamp on that text document could have been as simple as you changing the global time on your computer. I don't understand why many of you haven't questioned this- I haven't actually read over this topic as i'm too furious to stop typing.

And before you have a go at my brother for having his elder sister stick up for him and Supersilver-I pushed my brother off this computer on my own accord. I don't care if he gives excuses- I am not sorry for writing any of this (which has been politer than I would have liked to have put it). I am an extremely stubborn, grudgeful person- especially when fulled with anger- so I would be only too happy to continue ranting and raging for months to come.

I must ask that if this post displeases anyone that it is taken upon me and not my brothers account- as i'd never hear the end of it.

I'll leave further details or PM individuals on this account (or perhaps create my own account) if this doesn't sort itself out soon.

Stealing work is no laughing matter. We have either experienced it or perhaps in the future may experience it. It is very damaging and emotionally upsetting. Our ideas and principles are our babies- if someone lashes out we feel the pain.

~Ecardina

http://ecardina.deviantart.com/art/The-Full-Story-R3-100983047
Here it is. If Supersilver wishes to add to the story he need only ask and i'll put in his further ideas. If you enjoy his work I propose you continue to read it there and defend his work.

I hope very much not to have to repeat myself at a later date to how serious this is to me.

Wow. Someone should fill you in on the backstory here, sister. It was and is a joke. One that lasted about 30 minutes, which is clearly less than it took you to write up this loony wall of text. Maybe you and supersilver should collaborate?

[regeneratorizer]

I believe the point here is that it was a very, very cruel joke to play.

[WackieWatty]

I believe the point here is that it was a very, very cruel joke to play.

I know that this has confused a lot of people, and yet I have to agree with regen.

Also, legomash's sister, I think it was quite nice what you did, and I see that your post was very thoughtful, as it tried to get across a point without hurting anyone's feelings.

Jokes are meant to be, I believe, and this wasn't funny. I mean, talking about something like this is the chat may not be too bad, but bringing it into several threads on the forum was a bit OTT. In fact, I'm surprised further action hasn't been taken.

[chinook]

In fact, I'm surprised further action hasn't been taken.

Wait, wait, are you a mod? I had no idea. I take it all back.

[WackieWatty]

Wait, wait, are you a mod? I had no idea. I take it all back.
No, I'm not a mod, and I'm not trying to do Jamul's job, either. I'm just trying to say what I think is fair and justifiable.

[regeneratorizer]

Just like to point this out, for those who have not read the rules:

9. This means that you CAN'T say anything mean to anyone else on this forum. You are ONLY allowed to be nice, at all times. What a horrible thing to have to endure...

Maybe it's just me, but I think this entire thing was a violation of this rule. But meh, I'm not a mod, and never will be, so I guess I have no say.

[chinook]

Sheesh! I guess you guys chose the "wayyyy too serious" option!

None of this stuff was posted outside of TM or in chat. TM is sort of an anything goes, and it was definitely silly at every turn:

I said I had already assembled a team of lawyers (within 20 minutes).

I said the original name was "Feathers in Space". (Honestly, you guys are insanely serious!)

I claimed to have written the text of R3 as a 22 year old, five years ago. (!!!)

I talked about how I was shopping a screenplay around to major networks for a mini-series. (Yep.)


So no, it wasn't mean. It was absurd, and a few people got it. The rest either believed it, which I find outrageous, or are getting all huffy about it, which is frankly shocking.

Go get some fresh air, people.

[.Blue Dwarf.]

Seriously?

Why are you people still complaining?
You're not even the ones who the 'joke' was aimed at.


Just drop it already.
Sheesh, I'm sick of this thread constantly being at the top of the list.


[removed because I decided I didn't like this bit. It just sounded dumb to me.]

EDIT: Ninja'd by Chinook

[Ubernoob]

I wish I had a big sister to come onto the Hamumu Forum and defend me once in a while.:D

[souperzombie]

Tch. I am far to gullible. :p
*Joins the Gullible team*

[Jamul]

I didn't think it was a mean joke. It said nothing bad about anyone. The only problem has been that people showed up afterward and started believing it and getting all upset that someone was actually stealing something. That's why I tried to end it there, but people missed my post!

IT'S A JOKE! LET IT DROP! <-- harder to miss maybe?

[Mr.Onion]

I didn't think it was a mean joke. It said nothing bad about anyone. The only problem has been that people showed up afterward and started believing it and getting all upset that someone was actually stealing something. That's why I tried to end it there, but people missed my post!

IT'S A JOKE! LET IT DROP! <-- harder to miss maybe?
This, and it wasn't even meant to be funny! It just escalated from what chinook said on the chat.

[legomash]

Not sure if you'll read this, but perhaps you should have read the rest of the topic; nobody stole anything from anyone, chinook was just trying to make a joke here - he's not actually trying to claim that supersilver's story is his work, he was just kidding. The dates are obviously faked, and most people here are and have been well aware of this even before your post, and I'd say it would be all settled if people would stop poking the dead body of chinook's (admittedly not very funny) joke.

Thank you- yes, it wasn't a very wise move :???: and i'm feeling very sheepish about it. I think i'll simply lay the blame on someone else and say I was ill informed whilst I can slither out of this... ._.;;

As for Mr Onion. Whilst I was typing I was unsure about my bro's friend's name so I mentioned that throughout the post, I then went over the post and put in his name when I found it out. So I basically re-wrote the whole thing and didn't even bother to take the hand typed 'edit' bit out. Eh, might be a bit of a mouthful there to understand but I don't quite see how anything like that could make an effect anyway. So I don't know whether you are joking or anything :/ or whether you are imposing its chinook's (sorry... not chipnook) work.

Anway, I didn't realise the situation and for that i'm sorry, hope it doesn't continue and- i'll just leave Hamumu to you guys.

er bye ^,^;;

Edit: Deleted all copyrights.

[supersilver]

Not sure if you'll read this, but perhaps you should have read the rest of the topic; nobody stole anything from anyone, chinook was just trying to make a joke here - he's not actually trying to claim that supersilver's story is his work, he was just kidding. The dates are obviously faked, and most people here are and have been well aware of this even before your post, and I'd say it would be all settled if people would stop poking the dead body of chinook's (admittedly not very funny) joke.
yeah, but people STILL do it, they still say he's the writer, even after the post. I thank ecardina for spreading the word on my work, but it says file not found... and did you say the site? it's resistanceforcethree.wordpress.com.
legomash, if it's not a bother, could you pass this message on?
thank you thank you thank you!

[Connor S.]

I must say, the particular subject of the joke might not of been the smartest, by seeing as NO ONE could possibly have any knowledge of this beforehand, nor be able to predict it, I suppose we should all drop it. Anyways, I for one could appreciate the actual joking part of Chinooks posts, and found it mildly funny. but thats just me.

[legomash]

Ok, this time its me for real. Sorry my sister was a bit rash there, I mentioned that someone may be stealing supersilver's work and my sister shoved me off before I could say that I hadn't fully read the post. Then she shouted at me every time I opened my mouth (she's like that when she's angry) and I was ordered to leave the room. Also, I didn't notice anything bout lawyers or screenplays, and I had no idea of your age, so it seemed like you might actualy be trying to steal it. Also, Supersilver phoned me up last night that someone was trying to steal his work, but I was busy. So I thought Id check it out. Sorry for all the fuss, and even though the topic was aimed at Supersilver, He's a fellow member of TSCT, so I had to help out. I managed to get my sis to remove copyright details. She was realy quite embaressed when she actualy read the rest of this thread. But anyone who is rude to my sis has my disrespect, although I will not hold a permanent grudge to them unless they carried on the same kind of atitude.