#9, #12, #22 [Archive] - Hamumu Forum

PheonixZoid

10-31-2005, 04:06 PM

Thanks - that helped.

I decoded it, and I solved the puzzle, but honestly, I don't really know what the first line had to do with it, or even the second line.

so what your saying is, just look at the third and try not to find a connection?

With that in Mind: Is The last a past leader???

Thanky

Anonymous

10-31-2005, 04:12 PM

Yes.

I agree, I have no idea how the first two are related. Maybe just to help you solve the code?

eytanz

10-31-2005, 04:13 PM

Actually, I solved it by using the last two lines - I googled for the second line + the name from the last line.

Why this helped, I don't know. But it worked.

Jamul

10-31-2005, 04:30 PM

They are all related (and to solve the code the way it was intended instead of brute force, you wouldn't need any extra lines)... google can tell you how. And the relationship is how you're really supposed to find the answer to the question.

All the puzzles are like that - everything is relevant (including the background image and name, almost always), but unfortunately a lot of the time, that adds up to too much help, and people bypass the actual puzzle by just using the hints. Which is really disappointing for me, most of all on Uncoordinated, which I think is a clever puzzle! Another one I'm sad about is Hollywood Chat. I can tell by the wrong answers submitted that most people who solved it actually only solved half of it, then ran through making guesses.

Anyway, I may make some edits in the future to trim some clues out of things, and try to force people to actually solve them the hard way. But however you do it, as long as you're enjoying the puzzles, that's all they're really for. So I should just get over it!

eytanz

10-31-2005, 05:19 PM

I think Hollywood chat demonstrates the problem pretty well - many puzzles have several parts, but some of the parts are clued much better than others. I retroactively went back and solved the half of Hollywood chat I didn't solve the first time, but it was far, far harder than solving the part I did.

Similarly, I think, with most such puzzles. It's not that you give extra clues, but rather that at some point it becomes easier to fill in the blanks using external sources (google, guesses) than it is to actually solve the rest of the puzzle. Ideally, you should balance the puzzles so that solving each part of a single puzzle should be roughly equivalent in difficulty, so that way most people either solve all or none of it.

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Before this thread gets too sidetracked, I should point out I still need help with #9 and #12...

Anonymous

10-31-2005, 06:13 PM

I can't help with 12; I worked out 'the obvious' too, assuming you're refering to what I think you are, but couldn't progress and ended up guessing the answer.

As for 9.. you have to transform those coordinates somehow into other coordinates.

eytanz

10-31-2005, 06:20 PM

Ok, I solved 12 by guessing as well - why the worked, I have no idea.

Just one more puzzle to go...

Jamul

11-01-2005, 08:35 AM

deally, you should balance the puzzles so that solving each part of a single puzzle should be roughly equivalent in difficulty, so that way most people either solve all or none of it.

The problem with this is that everyone is different. Some people solved Black Box in 2 seconds, others took days and random guessing. Everyone's got different skills and sometimes a puzzle just 'clicks', and sometimes it doesn't. So as long as a puzzle has multiple parts that are of different types, that will always be the case. What I probably should do is make them linear, like "figure this code out to get the question which leads you to a word you can use to find some coordinates which show a number that solves an equation that tells you how to arrange some letters". But that's hard to make!

The bigger problem is really the outright clues I put in backgrounds and names. I could just not do that, if it weren't so darn aesthetically pleasing!

Dycacian

11-01-2005, 12:11 PM

9 is just pure evil.. that is all I have to say. (no that is not a hint it is truly how I feel) ARRRG!!!

Anonymous

11-01-2005, 12:27 PM

I thought 9 was one of the nicest puzzles actually :D In my opinion, ones like the Arizona Love or Sadly Similar were much harder than number 9.

Anonymous

12-17-2005, 11:23 PM

That was me, I forgot to log in

Am i the only one seeing a patern here?:wink:

BigNel

03-13-2006, 01:04 AM

Jamal's right, I'm tired of reading that puzzles are impossible or worse still telling me that a puzzle is "easy". I appreciate that Jamal's says everything is relevant in the pictures, I'll keep looking harder.
I guess it's all relative to the individual and the way they think and their experiences. I love the puzzles that stress me the most, especially when I get that break-through. I had a bit of a break thru' with old timey music while sleeping, how obsessive is that!!

It's always the last place you look that you find the thing you are looking for, why would you keep looking once you found it...?

vozome

03-14-2006, 04:29 AM

I was so proud to have decoded #22 so fast... but I couldn't find the relationship between the 3 sentences. Eventually, I solved it using the 3rd line, but still don't see the use of the 1st two...

oxygenthief

03-14-2006, 08:07 AM

Can anyone give advice on decoding these kinds of things? I'm horrible at it.

vozome

03-15-2006, 03:30 AM

the image and the name of the puzzle hint towards the name of the cipher used.
For #9 and #12, any help would be greatly appreciated...

*Jacob*

03-16-2006, 07:09 AM

oxygenthief

03-16-2006, 08:27 AM

Seconding request for huge hint T__T I had thought I'd solved it, but apparently I'm a failure and I'm not getting it. I've gone through so many words trying to find the answer, but none work, and I've tried them all twice after spellchecking; it just doesn't make sense.

crassycatz

03-16-2006, 10:50 AM

I've solved all three lines of code.

I've found a connection. It's a number.

It's not the correct answer.

I've entered name brands, animals, dates, measurements, and names.
I still haven't found the right one. Please, someone, just tell me the answer or SOMETHING. I don't want a subtle hint. I want a HUGE hint. I haven't had luck googling seperate parts of this either, or the entire thing.

are you talking about the penpal puzzle? if so the last line of it is a question... and if you knew what the question was then you would know the answer is a word not a number... altho i havent managed to figure this one out... if im talking about the wrong puzzle just ignore me! lol... needing help on the penpal one... ive googled for what i think would be the answer but get nothing!!!

*Jacob*

03-16-2006, 11:06 AM

I have both words AND numbers. Nothing I've tried works. ARG.

Pengo

03-16-2006, 07:22 PM

They are all related (and to solve the code the way it was intended instead of brute force, you wouldn't need any extra lines)... google can tell you how. And the relationship is how you're really supposed to find the answer to the question.

As a matter of fact, I only found the answer to the puzzle because of the relationship between all three lines. :idea: It kind of leaped out at me after a simple Google search...although it was certainly not my first Google search for this puzzle. :oops:

oxygenthief

03-16-2006, 09:37 PM

Enlighten us, O ...enlightened one! <3

vozome

03-17-2006, 01:23 AM

what could three completely unrelated events have in common?

crassycatz

03-17-2006, 01:44 AM

well i just get fed up on trying to work it out as i tried MANY MANY google searches and got nothing of relevance!!!

I just took into account what the last line was and started typing in random words that could anwer it, it was a pretty obvious answer, when you get it youll know what i mean!!!

dannawii

03-17-2006, 04:21 AM

exactly what i did! :oops:
unfortunately sometimes these puzzles become a bit frustrating, especially when u figure out the complex and somewhat interesting parts of it and ur just a google away from the answer! and u just dont get it!!!

Pengo

03-18-2006, 10:22 AM

what could three completely unrelated events have in common?

Just like the key to comedy, it's all in the timing. :wink:

labrat

03-18-2006, 10:46 AM

Arg, I know the cipher but not the exact one. I get random letters.. Can someone point me in the direction of how to crack this particular code

oxygenthief

03-18-2006, 10:57 AM

Just like the key to comedy, it's all in the timing. :wink:

I solved it finally, this hint helped <3

labrat, there are different ways of arranging the letters in the "pen". It kind of sucks, but you just gotta keep trying.

labrat

03-18-2006, 11:28 AM

yeah I know that... Well at least I'm on the right track.. I get the exact cipher in time...

Pengo

03-18-2006, 11:53 AM

I've solved all three lines of code.

I've found a connection. It's a number.

What, um.... "format" is your number in? The connection I found was definitely a "number" of a sort...used loosely...but then I had to google that "number" to find the final answer.

labrat

04-03-2006, 02:56 PM

Yeah I found the right 1. I got the 3 lines of text but cant get the answer yet. Still trying to figure out what the first line has to do with it all. I even googled the 2nd line with the name from the first and still no help...Oh well

FireLily

04-03-2006, 03:11 PM

Find out what the first two lines are referring to, what those things have in common, and then find out what the third line refers to. Google can help you with all three. PM me if you want a bigger hint.

43Merlin

04-28-2006, 12:36 PM

Please help....

I have translated the message and I cannot find the relationship between the three things even though I think I know what all three are

Please PM with Help.. I am going batty and googling too much!

43Merlin

04-28-2006, 12:39 PM

never mind - I got it

don;t know how it relates to the first two lines.... I am such an idiot

zzzbeauty

05-05-2006, 04:21 PM

You'll get it eventually....

You never know when these things are going to occur to you.

pamacdon

06-01-2006, 11:22 AM

Ok, i finally got 22. What a dissapointment.

Can anybody tell me what the frist two clues have to do with it. I read the whole web twice looking for a connection but in the end solved it on the third hint's clue alone.

ARRRGGGGGGG!

cool

06-22-2006, 02:14 AM

can anyone help me in getting the translated code for PEN-PAL puzzle.....my brain s nt clicked yet......... :(

timbo23

08-14-2006, 03:00 PM

Teddy the president?

dumbutt1

11-09-2006, 03:45 PM

can someone guide me through this or tell me where i can find the answer? will trade black box answer for this info.

the_hoodie

12-17-2006, 04:43 PM

I am completely stuck on #9, I've been working on it for days and can't get anything out of it. Someone PM me with a hint please.

gupwalla

05-18-2007, 10:33 AM

#9 Uncoordinated:

This one stumped me, because I had the right method but a slightly altered key text for breaking the code. My advice to you is to start at the very, very beginning. This same key text appears in a few different places on the www, and many of them start a little after the beginning. That will throw you off and lead to a nonsense answer.

#12 Future History:

Again, I had the right key text, and I was even trusting the National Archives -- maybe a bit too much. I also ended up having to go to the very beginning, not of the key text but to the beginning version of the key text.

So maybe a better hint is: the pen is mightier than the typewriter. And it's worth keeping in mind that some ideas can be written as one word or two words, so you might want to apply a little fuzz factor as you work through the key text.

#22 Need a Pen, Pal?

If you've cracked the cipher and you're still stuck, you'll need to do some research. The first couple of lines should be easy and straightforward to look up -- they are both very specific, and they have a very specific thing in common. Once you figure that out, then you're down the homestretch -- because the third line has that same thing in common, and it's really just a matter of some very easy (if you've got the key!) research.

smsgal

08-27-2010, 06:39 PM

i read thru the hints and everything, but i'm STILL super clueless, can some1 please PM me the answers for # 9 and # 22? please and ty :(

i read thru this forum over and over again, i'm stil really clueles and lost, can some1 please pm or email the answer for #9 and #22, thank you