#9

[amolamo]

What are these numbers and what does pi have to do with it? Please help! :?

[imillman]

I'm in the same boat, I seriously haven't got a clue about this one...

[vozome]

I'm bumping this up.
for now, we know that:
the coordinates should be transformed into some other coordinates,

the background is significant (but isn't that always the case?)
the only problem is - what is the background??

the word polar is not part of the solution.

[candrew]

Still absolutely no idea whatsoever - can anyone pm me a point in the right direction?

[m3gatl20n]

The spots are longitude and latitude pairs maybe...you can plot them on map.google. From what I can see they are all around Africa and seem to be near the prime meridian...perhaps the PI reference.

[lexie_98]

ok what the heck is the background, a aquarium, some rocks,?

[m3gatl20n]

Yes your on the right track.... and dont think of PI as the number its purpose is nothing numeric.

[Jamul]

I don't generally give hints, but I have to step in here and give this at least away: Pi is in the picture for an ENTIRELY numeric purpose!

(and I don't know what Pi and the prime meridian have to do with each other!)

[vozome]

it seems that many people guessed the answer of this one. I would be interested to get a nudge in the right direction for solving it the hard way, with the pair of coordinates and pi, because everything I've tried didn't work too well... :(

[misterpink]

I dont even know if I used the coordinates correctly. But I can tell you I did not just guess the answer (although I tried!) - I did use the coordinates - (based on an idea jamul threw out in a random thread on this forum), and the location of *some* of the coordinates made me think of something, which made me think of the answer.

Some of the coordinates did nothing for me, and PI also did nothing for me - as a word or a numerical value. Now I'm trying to figure out what PI could have done to make things easier! :)

[Jamul]

This is most likely the hardest puzzle in the game...

* Pi is absolutely needed in a numerical way.
* The numbers are coordinates. But as the title suggests, they're not currently functional coordinates. In a sense, the individual numbers in each pair are coordinates as well.
* While it takes a big adult brain to figure out, you'll need to do something very kiddy to finish it.
* Try almost anything... it will take logical leaps to guess what you're supposed to do.
* When you've done it right, it will be very obvious!
* Though the background offers a clue as to what the answer IS (as many people have discovered!), it has nothing to do with how you get there.

Has anybody solved it the right way? It's quite possible that the odds of guessing what needs to be done are very very low. I hope it's not that bad!

[Fripp]

Thank you Jamul - That one was driving me nuts. I knew what the final step was supposed to be, but for some reason the intermediate step was not clicking with me until your post. Now if I could just get a little hint on #29, #31, or #39...

[lexie_98]

ok i guessed the answer thanks to the hints kiddy thinking and the background

[MathMan]

This is most likely the hardest puzzle in the game...
..
Has anybody solved it the right way? It's quite possible that the odds of guessing what needs to be done are very very low. I hope it's not that bad!

Yeah, I solved it the right way. In fact, I thought it was one of the easier problems ;)

[olayman01]

i really need help! I dont understand what to do at all. I'd like to think im overthinking it but i cant think of how to start!!! please IM me really obvious hints or how to do it cuz i cant get it!!!!!

[TheDeviceUnit]

The numbers are coordinates. But as the title suggests, they're not currently functional coordinates. In a sense, the individual numbers in each pair are coordinates as well.

This is what helped me solve it :D

I tried many different approaches starting with the polar coordinates thing cuz that just kinda jumps out at you with the coordinates and pi

The background doesn't really help at all...since it doesnt really look like what it's supposed to be (to me anyway)...though if it did it would be MUCH easier to guess the answer and it wont help with finding the answer properly...ignoring it might be better just in case you end up thinking of something that's completely unrelated which would throw you off

I found the arrangement of the coordinates into two columns misleading...

The first and the last coordinates are important...

[jusme]

Anyone PM me with help on this one? I put the coordinates into google maps (which was not straightforward to do at all by the way) and I've tried some things that the locations made me think of, but nothing. I think I'm close, but I can't figure out what PI has to do with anything.

[glacion]

Does the first step involve mapping the "coordinates" onto some sort of chart or diagram? If so, I am having a lot of trouble thinking of what to map it onto.. are there hints in the background or elsewhere?

[TheDeviceUnit]

the background does not tell you how to get the answer...but it has something to do with the answer...

just really think about the title and the set of clues jamul gave

[JGS007]

Does the fact that several of the sets (7, more specifically) have numbers that are common to one another? I noticed that the second number of certain sets match that of the first number of other sets. When I arranged them I found two that didn't fit.

I also tried to see if the first 47 numbers of pi are accounted for in the sets, but that didn't last long before I met an impasse.

PM me if your response is too spoiler-rich...

J

[argyblarg]

I agree with the "hardest puzzle" part...it's one of my last two...and I'm lost.
I'm starting to get the feeling that plotting these coordinates might not
be useful at all, is this at least the right track?

[Rebes]

I agree with the "hardest puzzle" part...it's one of my last two...and I'm lost.
I'm starting to get the feeling that plotting these coordinates might not
be useful at all, is this at least the right track?

Plotting these coordinates is VERY useful, in a linear sense.

Jamul posted:
The numbers are coordinates. But as the title suggests, they're not currently functional coordinates. In a sense, the individual numbers in each pair are coordinates as well.

Your goal is to find out where to apply the "individual numbers" as coordinates. The place to apply those individual numbers as coordinates is apparent in the picture.

As for Pi? I finished this puzzle without doing a single calculation with Pi... However, it's probably the most important part of the puzzle. Without it all hope is lost!

R!

[barsen]

:(
I just hate this puzzle. Especially after solving it.
Background picture haven't help me.
Coordinates after long-long-long playing forced me to think about something above my head. But even after that it was pure luck that helped me to solve that one. I would prefer better if engine would accept "proper name" also.

[Jamul]

Update: I have PMed with barsen, and his comments don't actually refer to the real way of solving the puzzle. He probably still hates it, though!

[barsen]

No, I don't hate it anymore. It all burned out.
I'll dare to say that this is one of the easiest puzzles in the game, but only if one knows what to do.

[Masem]

As additional help:

1) the background image is appropriate, but not helpful in solving it
2) Pi is very very much important. Why does the puzzle use pi, as opposed to, say, 22/7th?
3) The approach to solution to this and to #12, Future History, is rather similar. (and yes, I know that #12 is also difficult, but, that's the best hint I can think of).

[elyxir]

can someone give me a few hints as where to start with this one? I've tried a bunch of different ways, but nothing is panning out.

[uagodfather]

I just finished Future History and I have read where its solution is similar to this one. Therefore I have an idea of how to use the coordinates, but not sure about the picture so not sure where to use them. Any PM hints available?

[powermouse]

Most of the hints in this thread did help me solve this one but the best hint, IMHO, is the one suggesting that the method of solving this is similar to "Future History". Go with that idea and remember the importance of Pi and if you don't want to do something "kiddy" to solve it, there is a Microsoft "tool" that might be useful in solving this puzzle.

So, to make it as simple as I can without too much of a spoiler:

* Think decimal
* Figure out what the coordinates refer to
* Use the "tool" (or some special paper and think like a kid as previously suggested)

Hope this helps!

[lyn]

OK this has been the longest puzzle for me. I have mapped coordinates and then done something with them to get a shape is this right? I have tried entering numerous variations of what I think it relates to but must be way off.The background does nothing for me, so I think I need a mega hint.Someone please help!!!!

[drgamer]

No matter what I do, it came out messed up...
I finally figured out the direction to use it but...
Apparently the order is actually jumbled up, because that looks like nothing known to man...

[Masem]

The order is as it appears in the list. If the resulting figure makes no sense, make sure you're applying everything correctly.

If you're doing it right, you'll have no lines that intersect except at vertices.

[Saccade]

You may be making the same assumption that I did at first. I took a clue a little too literally. Back up a step and see if a slight adjustment helps.

[Bortso]

OK, I finally got this one by purely guessing. Could someone PLEASE PM me the correct way this one is supposed to be solved. I am very curious.

[bijoy3d]

hey guys....
help some one who hasnt figured out future history yet...plz i need help...

[bijoy3d]

guys\.....help me out with a pm plz....i am stuck

[munkee]

I seriously just guessed, and got it on my third try. The background actually helped me.

[chaucer]

I can't get anything from this. I arranged the coordinates on Microsoft Excel and it looked like some unearthly being (or a bird having a heart attack...) and I don't get any of the hints in previous threads. I need someones help, and fast!

[spaz102]

I only know the first 33 digits of pi. Will this be enough for my "calculations"?

[Jamul]

Yes. But you know, with the power of the internet, it's easy to know a whole lot more digits if you want!

[zzzzzzz]

Oh man, this puzzle is making me crazy!
I'm at work, and people keep busting me mumbling to myself like "not currently functional coordinates..." and "if I look at pi in decimals, then how do I plot...." etc etc. Reading Chaucer's "I arranged the coordinates on Microsoft Excel and it looked like some unearthly being (or a bird having a heart attack...)" made me laugh out loud, and I almost got busted playing. Oh well, all in the name of Dumb: the game.

Anyways, back to #9... god help me. :x

[carrie92]

I think I know what I'm supposed to do at the end......
I'm just still not sure how to get there, and where to map the coordinates.
Also, I'm not sure about the 2 columns of coordinates. Do the top two numbers have anything to do with each other? Do lat. and long. have anything to do with it?

Oh, and I don't know what "pi in decimals" means. As far as I know, there is only 1 decimal in pi, correct?

[Jamul]

I just discovered a mistake people could make here because I did something in a rather unorthodox way. So I'm going to give away a little secret to help you all:

The number pairs are in a certain order. That order goes top-to-bottom, NOT left-to-right (so the first whole column, then the second column). I realize that's not how people normally arrange things. I'm not sure why I did it that way. I think the large amount of space between the columns is supposed to make you realize that. But it's not supposed to be part of the challenge, so that's why I tell you now!

I hope nobody had actually gotten it right and was super confused towards the end because they used them in the wrong order!

[runtsta]

Oh, and I don't know what "pi in decimals" means. As far as I know, there is only 1 decimal in pi, correct?

There's only one decimal point. Every number after that is part of pi as a decimal.

4.5 has one decimal place
7.295 has three...

[pook]

three hints to save a lot of torn out hair
1. read coords from top to bottom - otherwise the result looks like an explosion in a fireworks factory
2. the first digit is not the same as the first decimal place (get it wrong and u get an explosion in a fireworks factory again)
3. It helps if you use a spreadsheet with an X-Y graph drawing tool

[AussieAngel]

OH MY GOSH !!!!!

I was stuck on this for a few days, I would leave come back leave come back.

I just asked my 11 yr old whats this puzzle he says that looks like a ______ and that there is a ______ so the answer is ______ I type it in click enter and it was correct.

:o

[Androgeos Exeunt]

*Puzzle solved*

Just like getting past the first floor of the Haunted Mansion without attacking any ghosts, this puzzle is a bit like that. It is very, very complicated if you do it the right way...which would involve everything on that picture. A faster way is to ignore the coordinates and pi and just look at the background. I hope this isn't too much of a spoiler.

[janzx]

It was actually kinda easy, i mean i just type in the word and it was right, i used the hint: kiddy and first word i was thinking was the right :O

[AlietteM89894]

This one, I just looked at the background and got it... first try. I didn't even look at the numbers.

If you know what the background is, its pretty easy to figure it out by thinking of related items.

[TyTBone]

This one, I just looked at the background and got it... first try. I didn't even look at the numbers.

I'm terrible with math, but looking at the rocks (not the white, bread-like background) totally gave it to me! It's ridiculous!

[l156a21]

what about polar coordinates? :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused:

[Mossysox]

I don't think it's saying too much to tell you that they're irrelevant here. Take another look at Pook's post [#45]; that has most of what you need (assuming you've read Jamul's post, #11)..

[loving08]

After long hours of sweating and crying over this puzzle i finally figured it out with some help from these forum posts.. :)
The thing is I don't understand the importance of Pi... You say it's very important, but the only thing I used it for was understanding better which method I should use for solving the puzzle. But I don't think it's neccesary to figure it out.

Is there any bigger importance of Pi that I missed? Or did I get it just right?

[justywusty87]

Oh please please please been lookin at this puzzle for over 1 year now and i just cant figure it out. I used all hints given about guessing it and tried to figure out the mathematical way but I just can figure it out. I am very good with math and use to take calculus in high school. I am thinking I need to use trigonometry? Any hints on how to solve it or guess at it I don't really care as long as i get the answer now...

Send me a PM if you need to.

[Max]

Like many people have said before, don't try to do it the right way if you can't, you'll just end up pulling your hair out. Just look at the background, what do those red rocks or plants as I should say look like, once you get that, you'll get the answer immediately

[DJMinkus]

Lol. I got lucky and guessed it first try. I have no idea what the numbers are about XD