who should be in the next SSB

[PlasmaCannonsRule]

ElMikkino- Stumbling is a definite removal. It was a very poor and unwelcome idea. About 9\10 smashers agree to this. Regarding the stalling penalty, it's meant as a countermeasure to the people who will run and camp. If you play like a regular person and actually fight, you won't have to worry. The change to Assist Trophies was to differentiate them from Pokeballs. As for the Smash Meter... good point. I'll wait for a majority opinion before changing. Sames with Diagonal Specials. Stickers would not be default; it would be another variety of Special Match. Reversals are meant to prevent grab spamming and infinite or near-infinite chain grabs. Also, it doesn't completely negate the use of grabs; you just can't spam them, and holding people for a long period of time (another stalling strategy) is also no longer a good stalling strategy either.

Hyperme- L-canceling and smash cancels are two different things; L-canceling is a technique that lowers the lag from aerial attacks. Personally, I never found the point in it, but a lot of smashers want it back. You do have a good point about smash cancels.

I'll post again with more info on items, stages, or pokeball\assist trophy data next time I have time.

[ElMikkino]

Originally Posted by PlasmaCannonsRule

ElMikkino- Stumbling is a definite removal. It was a very poor and unwelcome idea. About 9\10 smashers agree to this. Regarding the stalling penalty, it's meant as a countermeasure to the people who will run and camp. If you play like a regular person and actually fight, you won't have to worry. The change to Assist Trophies was to differentiate them from Pokeballs. As for the Smash Meter... good point. I'll wait for a majority opinion before changing. Sames with Diagonal Specials. Stickers would not be default; it would be another variety of Special Match. Reversals are meant to prevent grab spamming and infinite or near-infinite chain grabs. Also, it doesn't completely negate the use of grabs; you just can't spam them, and holding people for a long period of time (another stalling strategy) is also no longer a good stalling strategy either.

Hyperme- L-canceling and smash cancels are two different things; L-canceling is a technique that lowers the lag from aerial attacks. Personally, I never found the point in it, but a lot of smashers want it back. You do have a good point about smash cancels.

I'll post again with more info on items, stages, or pokeball\assist trophy data next time I have time.

I still like it! Plus, it gives you a free roll! And its proven to save people from stuff! Just look on YouTube!

[hyperme]

Lowered air lag = I no aim right I want fast recover.
Also, tripping for no good reson ANGERS me with greatness! And on that topic, chacater idea!

Cackletta

[picture goes here]

Universe: Mario and Luigi
Story Mode Affilation: Herself
Home Stage: WooHoo Hooniveristy (maybe)
Entrance: Lighting bolt teleport/Evil Chair

Weight: 3\5 (Medium)
Speed: 2\5 (Slowish)
Size: 4\5 (Largish)
Strength: ?\5

A: Lighting Slash (Slashes with lightningy.hand)
AA: Double Lighting Slash (Slashes twice.)
AAA: Triple Lighting Slash (Slashes twice and then does a cross slash.)
Dash: Lighning charge (Charges forward with a lighting hand)
Tilt <>: Thunder Ball (Shoots a small ball of lighning)
Tilt <> Combo: Thunder Stream (4 lThunder balls in quick doing)
Tilt v: Thunder Ring (Makes a ring of lighning around herself)
Tilt ^: Bolt (Shoots a lightning bolt straight up)
Smash <>: Tinder Blast (Lightning blast in direction)
Smash v: Thunder Wave (Thunder Ring. But bigger)
Smash ^: Power bolt (Bolt ut better.)
Air Stuff: Like Ground stuff, but airy?

Taunt ^: Evil Laugh
Taunt >: Pull up then drops cloak
Taunt <: ?
Taunt v: ?

B: Cackle Bats (Opens cloak and shoots out a stream of bats with mini Cackletta heads.)
B<> Lighting Bolts (Lighning stikes the nearest player in the a=moves direction, with a 1/2 second delay)
Bv: Duplicate (Goes into a dark hole, which splits in three, andrises into Caclettas. Think Iceclimber, only with kess certainess on KOing)
B^: Rocket Chair (Boosts up on a red chair with rocket bosters.)
Final Smash: Dark Skies : Flies nto the background, looming over the stage. Cue lighning storm. If a lightning bolt reachs solid ground, it creates a dark hole. If a character falls in this, they fall from the top of the screen, take damage and become heavy.

[PlasmaCannonsRule]

I never said anything about lowered air lag. I never played the first Mario & Luigi game, so I can't say anything about the moveset. However, Fawful I know is more likely to actually appear. Fawful appeared in 2 games, while Cackletta only appeared in one. And yes, I know Midna only appeared in one game, but I also noted that she will only appear in a SSB game if she appears in another Zelda game.

[happystickman]

Fawful is a definite yes. One of his taunts has to has to have some thing to do with mustard.

(A+ if you get that reference)

[PlasmaCannonsRule]

Originally Posted by happystickman

Fawful is a definite yes. One of his taunts has to has to have some thing to do with mustard.

(A+ if you get that reference)

If he keeps appearing (and if Nintendo follows the fans, he and Midna without a doubt will), he's a definite must for DLC or SSB5. I don't think he would quite make it to the SSB4 starting roster.

Stage list up later.

Also, whoever keeps tagging this thread as "spam" or a "near-flamewar", quit it.

[hyperme]

L-cancel debate thingy: You know what I mean by air lag!

And anyhow, Cackletta is a voice stealing, body taking, Mario Brothers eating Mad Women-bean thing. And SSB4 need more M&L.

And Midna will not have more Zelda apperingness. Check TP's ending. Also, Sheik only appered one game.

[PlasmaCannonsRule]

Originally Posted by hyperme

L-cancel debate thingy: You know what I mean by air lag!

And anyhow, Cackletta is a voice stealing, body taking, Mario Brothers eating Mad Women-bean thing. And SSB4 need more M&L.

And Midna will not have more Zelda apperingness. Check TP's ending. Also, Sheik only appered one game.

1. Oh. Actually, I didn't. I thought you meant aerial hitstun. Sorry.
2. Cackletta has around as much of a chance of appearing again as Midna. Actually, lower, since as far as I know, Midna has a much larger following (and Fawful, a fellow Mario villain, having a massive cult following doesn't help either).
3. Sheik was planned to appear in Twilight Princess, and I believe SSBB was in concept stages at the same time as Twilight Princess. And now that Sheik has been in 2 Smash Bros. games, I don't think they're going to remove her.

Stage list should be up later today.

[PlasmaCannonsRule]

Here's a stage list.

Super Mario
Comet Observatory (Mario)
Bowser’s Castle (Bowser, Bowser Jr.\Shadow Mario)
Rainbow Road (Peach)
Battle Stage* (Paper Mario)

Donkey Kong
Sun Sun Island (Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong)
Crocodile Island (King K. Rool)

Yoshi
Yoshi Plains (Yoshi) (Based on World 1-1 from both Yoshi’s Island games)

WarioWare
WarioWare 2 (Wario) (Same as the stage in Brawl, except with updated graphics and additional microgames)

Kirby
Orange Ocean (Kirby, Meta Knight)
Mt. Dedede (King Dedede)

The Legend of Zelda
Location from Zelda Wii (Link, Midna)
Death Mountain (Ganondorf)
Location from Spirit Tracks* (Toon Link, Tetra)

Metroid
Leviathan Crater (Samus\Zero Suit Samus)
Pirate Homeworld (Ridely)

Retro
Icicle Mountain (Ice Climbers) (3D recreation of the original)
Flat Zone 3* (Mr. Game & Watch) (Combines both previous Flat Zones and adds in a few more games.)
Underworld Tower (Pit)
Gyromite* (R.O.B.)
The Ring (Little Mac)
Block Matrix* (Tetris)

Pikmin
Hole of Beasts (Olimar)

Golden Sun
Venus Lighthouse (Isaac)

Star Fox
Arwing Mission (Fox, Falco)
Sauria (Krystal) (Based off the Cloudrunner Fortress area.)

F-Zero
Red Canyon (Samurai Goroh)

Pokemon
6th Generation Area (6th Generation Pokemon)
Pokemon Stadium 3 (Pokemon Trainer, Jigglypuff) (Combines both previous Pokemon Stadiums and adds Dark, Psychic, and Ghost types)
Victory Road (Mewtwo)

EarthBound
Saturn Village (Lucas)

Metal Gear Solid
Metal Gear REX* (Snake)

Sonic the Hedgehog
Sky Base Zone* (Sonic)

Megaman
Lost Factory* (Megaman)

Pac-Man
Ghost Maze* (Pac-Man)

Super Smash Bros.
Battlefield
Final Destination*

Brawl Stages
Norfair
Distant Planet
Luigi’s Mansion* (Luigi)
Castle Siege* (Marth)
Shadow Moses Island*
Green Hill Zone*

Melee Stages
Mute City (Captain Falcon)
Temple (Zelda\Shiek)
Onett* (Ness)
Green Greens*
Corneria*
Kongo Jungle*

N64 Stages
Yoshi’s Island
Saffron City
Hyrule Castle*
Mushroom Kingdom*

[happystickman]

Look good, with one mistake...


NO GOLDEN SUN STAGE.
If two golden sun characters are going in, they need a stage! If you need a idea, you should make it Jupiter Lighthouse.

[PlasmaCannonsRule]

Originally Posted by happystickman

Look good, with one mistake...


NO GOLDEN SUN STAGE.
If two golden sun characters are going in, they need a stage! If you need a idea, you should make it Jupiter Lighthouse.

Whoops. Meant for that to be in there.

[happystickman]

Weren't you going to put in a Lost Age Character as well?

[Connor S.]

Next to Tails and Paper Mario, the character I would like to see in the next SSB would be bomberman, do to pure awesome.

[Kerma]

Giygas should TOTALLY be a playable character.

He kills everyone in one hit- but he is too stupid to use it, it only happens 0.01% of the time

[grim3vil]

sonic was kinda bad in ssbb and so i think they should make him more easy to control, and they should have blood falcon, or the young captain falcon from F-Zero climax. or marx, he was pretty cool and was probably the most epic kirby boss fight.